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It's a joke though that a Canes fan thinks Pesce will get a return of Eberle
hall returned larsson if were you not aware
It's a joke though that a Canes fan thinks Pesce will get a return of Eberle
and Weber returned Subban. those trades did not bring market value for 2 teams and the other 2 teams got a great dealhall returned larsson if were you not aware
and Weber returned Subban. those trades did not bring market value for 2 teams and the other 2 teams got a great deal
Sekera for Faulk?
well said.Bad example to try and make your point. Hall/Larsson addressed team needs for both teams (and frankly, I don't think the value is as bad as some do). Subban and the Habs had other extenuating issues which drove that deal. So "value" wasn't the only thing at play in those deals. Your example of Sekera/Faulk has neither (team needs nor extenuating circumstances) so really is pretty irrelevant.
The overall point I think you are making is good though. Oilers were deep at forward and desperately needed a top pairing D, so that's why Hall was traded for Larsson, even if the value seemed off. Now though, they aren't desperate at D, and aren't as deep at F so they have no incentive to make a deal that isn't good value. Bringing up Hall for Larsson as a comparison is pretty irrelevant since the situations are different.
. Bringing up Hall for Larsson as a comparison is pretty irrelevant since the situations are different.
You're correct , as per usge, but if a team offered a skilled top line right winger for Slavin or Hanifin(left d) I would consider it.
You'll have to forgive us a bit if we get a bit over-excited about our D prospects though.
Fleury might garner some interest. Maybe a 2nd round pick.
Pesce to the Rangers would be nice
You missed the part where it was a response to Pesce being a physical defenseman or that the "hits" was explained as well. I guess comprehension isn't your favourite subjectMy favorite post in this topic was the one treating "hits" as a stat worth noting. I'm not sure they could have picked a more subjective stat if they tried.
Fleury might garner some interest. Maybe a 2nd round pick.
You missed the part where it was a response to Pesce being a physical defenseman or that the "hits" was explained as well. I guess comprehension isn't your favourite subject
No, you think you explained "hits". What you actually did was explain the exact reason why "hits" is as subjective of a stat as one could pick. The NHL doesn't regulate hits. Each individual arena's scorekeeper does. And they have been shown to be subject toward bias.
In fact, before the NHL changed their website, you could sort hits by team by home and away games. Teams like the Rangers, Toronto, and Pittsburgh had SUCH a stark difference between their home and away hit totals, it couldn't be explained away by the team playing better had home.
In addition, the scorekeeper is subject to bias by the player's reputation. It might take Lucic a simple nudge to be credited with a hit, while it would take someone like...Kessell, for example...a full "Kronwall" to get the same hit credit.
But really, all you need to show how ridiculous the league's hit stat is is to simply look at "the most physical" teams of the past decade. Would you expect Nashville to be 25th? Carolina to be higher than Boston? Toronto as #2?
Pesce to the Rangers would be nice
Please do NOT get Bern started!
And your answer is Ward and Lack. Maybe watch a Canes game sometime.
The defense was not to blame. They actually did quite well keeping shots down. The goalies just couldn't save the shots that got through.
Common statwatcher guy. Not even rare or epic quality.And yet Cam Ward was 16th in GAA among starters. Try again, unless Eddie Lack and his 30 GP are to blame for Carolina's entire 82 game period of sucktitude in their end.
Oilers lack top 6 NHL wingers. Lucic, Eberle, Pouliot, and Yakupov is all they have. Versteeg is a 3rd liner, and Puljujarvi isn't a lock to make the team. Plus the Oilers don't need another bottom pairing defenseman
And yet Cam Ward was 16th in GAA among starters. Try again, unless Eddie Lack and his 30 GP are to blame for Carolina's entire 82 game period of sucktitude in their end.
Pesce is two years younger than Larsson. Two years ago Larsson was demoted to the AHL. I highly doubt Pesce becomes as good as Larsson, but Pesce is the one with the better 21 year old season.
Why would the Canes give up a 6'3", 200 lbs, 21 year old defenseman who just had an incredible developmental Rookie season as a first year pro for "fair value"?
Canes fans are high on their young defense because they are the only ones who actually watch Canes games.
I find it a lot harder to believe that "Yakupov for Pesce" or "2nd Round pick for recent #7 OA selection Haydn Fleury" is true "fair value".
we were the 2nd best team in the league that did not maek teh ploffs
but yes
we are insanely jelly of edmontons decade of dominance
those ping pong balls do not lie tbh
Wonderful. As said, if he repeats it, you can start talking 30-goal wingers. Until then it's a moot point.
There's a mile of difference between Yakupov, fair value and Eberle. Asking more than Yak? Sure. Asking Eberle or even Eberle+? That's not asking high- that's living outside of reality, to the point where you should change in that Canes jersey for a straitjacket.
Right- those Canes fans who watch Canes fans are the only true experts. Why do I get the feeling there might be some, I dunno, bias there? Just a bit of it?
Again, bias, etc.
A tremendous contribution. Can't debate the merits of the stats, so insults the other side instead. You lose.