You know, before you try posting such a creative and sarcastic comment like this, you might want to get the right player. The whole discussion was Pesce, not Slavin.
Fleury for kapanen?
Which is why I edited it before you responded.
But like I said, same difference.
Canes won't like it and it doesn't do anything for the Leafs. Just another LHD to toss on the pile.
Spoken like someone who has never seen Pesce play.
Pesce would cost Eberle at a minimum and I doubt the Canes even move him for that given their lack of RHD depth.
Eberle is an established 60 point 1st line RW.A non-elite but very good young veteran top-6 W...yeah, that's totally not worth a young, physical, established two-way top-4 RHD.
If it was a better FWD prospect, I'd like it, but not Kapanen. I, admittedly, could be very wrong as I don't see enough of him, but I see Kapanen likely as a bottom 6 forward and the Canes have a lot of guys that fit into that category. I like some aspects of his game like his speed, but am concerned that he doesn't have enough skill to be a top 6 forward.
I think Fleury will be a top 4 D. Maybe it's homerism, but I'm confident a guy his size, with his skating ability and his skill will be able to achieve that. Maybe it won't be with Carolina with Hanifin and Slavin on board, but then I'd want them to let him prove himself in the NHL then worry about moving him.
Kapanen has all the tools....we're just trying to find out if he has the toolbox to go with it.
I really like Fleury and my comment wasn't meant to bash him. I agree that he'll be a top 4 guy someday but right now he'd be behind Rielly and Gardiner for top 4 LHD spots and he'd be fighting it out with Dermott and Neilsen.
The Leafs should ONLY be looking at RHD, even if there are potentially some nice LHD available like Fleury.
Fleury for McCarron and hudon.
Yeah, I didn't take it as you bashing Fleury and understand your concern about LHD.
You have to put up 3,000 points a season to be a 1st line player on HF.Eberle is an established 60 point 1st line RW.
As for Pesce -
69 games played isn't establishing anything
Ice time he was #5 on a team not known to be deep defensively
16 points does not tell me he has much of a two way game
30 hits and zero fights is laughable for a physical defenseman
Nothing he does backs up your lofty claims. So keep until reality sets in
You have to put up 3,000 points a season to be a 1st line player on HF.
Unless you are on the Canes in which you only need 40 points to be a 1st line player. I'd like to say I'm being sarcastic, but unfortunately, it's true.
Eberle is an established 60 point 1st line RW.
As for Pesce -
69 games played isn't establishing anything
Ice time he was #5 on a team not known to be deep defensively
In fairness, the Canes were anything BUT "deep defensively" to start the season. Faulk (yes), Hainsey (who nobody wanted after the lockout), Murphy (who sucks, got injured, and couldn't hold an NHL job), Liles (who was a buyout candidate in Toronto) Michal Jordan (AHL Fodder), Hanifin (18 year old rookie who got sheltered minutes) and Wizniewski (who blew out his knee on his first shift. Pesce and Slavin were thrown to the wolves on a team that had a very weak defense. Yes, Pesce needs to prove it again as 69 games isn't enough, but let's not act like he got sheltered minutes on a deep team, because that's not the case.
16 points does not tell me he has much of a two way game
Actually, 16 points for a rookie with 69 games, and 5th on PP TOI/GP is pretty reasonable . Pesce played well on PP, PK and ES so he did do well as a 2-way player. YES, he needs to back it up and expand on it. No arguments there.
30 hits and zero fights is laughable for a physical defenseman
That's stats watching 101. Pesce's strength was that he was extremely strong along the boards. Won a number of battles down low. Did he give bone-crushing hits? Did he fight? No, but he was very physical down low and along the boards.
You only need a .900 SV% on the Oilers to be a Vezina candidateUnless you are on the Canes in which you only need 40 points to be a 1st line player. I'd like to say I'm being sarcastic, but unfortunately, it's true.
The NHL doesn't track "Hits" as crushing guys into the boards. Its physically removing the player from the puck which you described as proof of his physicality but the NHL disagreesI'm not saying Pesce is worth Eberle,, because IMO, he isn't so let's get that out of the way, but I feel it's important to put context into your "stats" based post (above).
Pesce would cost Eberle at a minimum and I doubt the Canes even move him for that given their lack of RHD depth.
Spoken like someone who has never seen Pesce play.
Pesce would cost Eberle at a minimum and I doubt the Canes even move him for that given their lack of RHD depth.
Eberle is an established 60 point 1st line RW.
As for Pesce -
69 games played isn't establishing anything
Ice time he was #5 on a team not known to be deep defensively
16 points does not tell me he has much of a two way game
30 hits and zero fights is laughable for a physical defenseman
Nothing he does backs up your lofty claims. So keep until reality sets in
Two other good to very good defensive prospects on the Canes get short shrift here. Trevor Carrick is developing quite well and may likely be the "next man up" in case of an injury or a good showing in camp (as opposed to the oft mentioned Fleury).
Jack of all trades, RHD Roland McKeown is also criminally overlooked. Kingston's graduating team captain is a smooth skating smart player with good size and offensive upside. In truth he had the better year in comparison to Fleury.
The point is that now the Canes have added Jake Bean as well and they are slowly building an enviable stable of blueliners. I don't believe that any of the young defensemen get traded this season, but there will likely be some movement sooner rather than later on the back end.
Not named Faulk or Hanafin
- Haydn Fleury
- Ryan Murphy
- Brett Pesce
- Jaccob Slavin
- Any others I may be forgetting
But if the Canes really have so many elite/top pairing guys, I question why they had a -28 goal differential and missed the playoffs for the seventh consecutive year. A mystery, that.