Player Discussion Carey Price - Why Always Me? Edition

[WickedPegJets]

With a bad knee no thanks to the Rangers’ Chris Kreider and getting older each year, Carey Price is no longer in his prime so can you imagine just four years into his 8-year contract extension when he is playing like Ryan Miller and raking in $10.5M per season still?

 

[WickedPegJets]

Always the same guys attacking the same players. Same thing with PK Subban.

He'd still have gotten paid. GMs aren't stupid, they can see the gongshow in front of him. Anytime you can add a star player without giving up any assets you do it.

Marc Bergevin can only give away Price to another team for $8M annual maximum and Les Habitants would have to eat $2.5M annually of his yet to begin contract. Since it’s an 8-year contract, would the Canadiens also have to eat one year of the 8-year term at $10.5M?

 

[WickedPegJets]

Wtf are you talking about? P.K. broke out in 2010-11. He had an off year in 2011-12. 2013 was his Norris year, sure, but 2013-14 was largely a continuation of that effort. He increased his best full season offensive output by 15 points.



Prove it.

PK Subban won the Norris Trophy in the shortened season.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Marc Bergevin can only give away Price to another team for $8M annual maximum and Les Habitants would have to eat $2.5M annually of his yet to begin contract. Since it’s an 8-year contract, would the Canadiens also have to eat one year of the 8-year term at $10.5M?

We have the benefit of cap space right now. We've got tons of it. We should use that to our advantage.

We can eat a lot of Price's contract in the first three years and we can also take back bad contracts. That helps whatever contender wants him to make room for the cap space. It's also meaningless for us because we'd use the next three years to rebuild. It's not hard to do. But we have to want to do it and we have to find the right partner.

The main problem is we NEVER take a direction. We should've traded away picks/prospects for a center before and we didn't. Now it's the opposite, we should be dealing vets for picks/prospects to help other contenders and rebuild ourselves. But we're not smart enough to do this. It's always a half assed job from our GMs.

 

[nhlfan9191]

PK Subban won the Norris Trophy in the shortened season.

I love PK but I still think Suter should’ve won it that year.

 

[WickedPegJets]

You don't call out a top 6 center just because one bad season. He earned fully his contract and still prove today that LAK did the right choice. Do we know how hard it is to get a top center or I would be redondant?

In LA, NHL Hockey is not that city’s No. 1 sport and the Kings did win two Stanley Cups with Anze Kopitar in the lineup so you can’t equate his poor play in 2017 with Carey Price’s current bad season (his first) and the Habs not hoisting the Cup since 1993. As good as Price has been in the past, he will never be as good as Patrick Roy and Ken Dryden.

 

[WickedPegJets]

We have the benefit of cap space right now. We've got tons of it. We should use that to our advantage.

We can eat a lot of Price's contract in the first three years and we can also take back bad contracts. That helps whatever contender wants him to make room for the cap space. It's also meaningless for us because we'd use the next three years to rebuild. It's not hard to do. But we have to want to do it and we have to find the right partner.

The main problem is we NEVER take a direction. We should've traded away picks/prospects for a center before and we didn't. Now it's the opposite, we should be dealing vets for picks/prospects to help other contenders and rebuild ourselves. But we're not smart enough to do this. It's always a half assed job from our GMs.

You’re talking about trading Carey Price even BEFORE he has began his new contract and Geoff Molson eating maybe $3.5M annually and perhaps another $10.5M to trim the contract to seven years. $7M per season matches Bruins’ Rask and slightly less than the Predators’ Renne.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

You’re talking about trading Carey Price even BEFORE he has began his new contract and Geoff Molson eating maybe $3.5M annually and perhaps another $10.5M to trim the contract to seven years. $7M per season matches Bruins’ Rask and slightly less than the Predators’ Renne.

Molson has to spend the cash anyway. It's not like that money would be over and above the cap.

And it doesn't matter what Rask is making, he signed that contract five years ago. Price has outperformed him over that time on worse teams. And salaries are going up not down.

 

[WickedPegJets]

Molson has to spend the cash anyway. It's not like that money would be over and above the cap.

And it doesn't matter what Rask is making, he signed that contract five years ago. Price has outperformed him over that time on worse teams. And salaries are going up not down.

Blackhawks’ Stan Bowman didn’t pay one time Cup winner Crawford big bucks and I doubt that when Holtby and Rask will be earn more than $8M per season in free agency.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Blackhawks’ Stan Bowman didn’t pay one time Cup winner Crawford big bucks and I doubt that when Holtby and Rask will be earn more than $8M per season in free agency.

Crawford didn't deserve big bucks.

Holtby will make more than 8 without a doubt.

Edit: I didn't realize Holtby was so far from UFA. Holtby has two more years after this one. He'll have to play well to do that.

 

[WickedPegJets]

Because Geoff Molson will have $9M this season plus $6M in cap space once Plecks’ contract goes off the book (another of Bergevin’s overinflated bad signings which include David Desharnais, Andrew Shaw and Carey Price’s new contract), the Habs can possibly lure John Tavares here for $13M per season for seven years since a true No. 1 centerman is their most pressing need.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Because Geoff Molson will have $9M this season plus $6M in cap space once Plecks’ contract goes off the book (another of Bergevin’s overinflated bad signings which include David Desharnais, Andrew Shaw and Carey Price’s new contract), the Habs can possibly lure John Tavares here for $13M per season for seven years since a true No. 1 centerman is their most pressing need.

Tavares would be insane to come to Montreal. He can get that money elsewhere.

 

[WickedPegJets]

We have the benefit of cap space right now. We've got tons of it. We should use that to our advantage.

We can eat a lot of Price's contract in the first three years and we can also take back bad contracts. That helps whatever contender wants him to make room for the cap space. It's also meaningless for us because we'd use the next three years to rebuild. It's not hard to do. But we have to want to do it and we have to find the right partner.

The main problem is we NEVER take a direction. We should've traded away picks/prospects for a center before and we didn't. Now it's the opposite, we should be dealing vets for picks/prospects to help other contenders and rebuild ourselves. But we're not smart enough to do this. It's always a half assed job from our GMs.

By a bad contract, Philly has a bad one in Claude Giroux (a true No. 1 centerman and French) and since Philly lost Brian Elliot long-term, Carey Price traded to the Flyers would make that team an instant strong Cup contender and their first great goalie since their general manager Ron Hextall himself who won the Conn Smythe Trophy as the losing goalie.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

By a bad contract, Philly has a bad one in Claude Giroux (a true No. 1 centerman and French) and since Philly lost Brian Elliot long-term, Carey Price traded to the Flyers would make that team an instant strong Cup contender and their first great goalie since their general manager Hexstall himself who won the Conn Smythe Trophy as the losing goalie.

The place I think makes the most sense is St Louis.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

He's letting in terrible goals every game. But I think it's mostly focus. Hopefully a team thinks they can save him and pray a premium for him.

 

[WickedPegJets]

The place I think makes the most sense is St Louis.

In St. Louis, you have high contract values in Stasny and Petroangelo, a left shooting defenceman who would look good pared with Jeff Petry.

 

[WickedPegJets]

He's letting in terrible goals every game. But I think it's mostly focus. Hopefully a team thinks they can save him and pray a premium for him.

Carey Price suggested to the media that he has chronic fatigue syndrome which makes a person less alert and drowsy. Of course, there is no provision in his new contract that voids the contract for medical reasons.

 

[mariolemieux66]

By a bad contract, Philly has a bad one in Claude Giroux (a true No. 1 centerman and French) and since Philly lost Brian Elliot long-term, Carey Price traded to the Flyers would make that team an instant strong Cup contender and their first great goalie since their general manager Ron Hextall himself who won the Conn Smythe Trophy as the losing goalie.

I would trade Price and Pacioretty retained 50% to Philadelphia for Elliot, Lehtera(cap dump), Weise prospects and draft picks.

Pacioretty Giroux Voracek

 

[bsl]

You’re talking about trading Carey Price even BEFORE he has began his new contract and Geoff Molson eating maybe $3.5M annually and perhaps another $10.5M to trim the contract to seven years. $7M per season matches Bruins’ Rask and slightly less than the Predators’ Renne.

Yeah I know. it's just ridiculous. Guy comes into a 3-2 game tonight, needs to shut it down, and lets in 3 softies. We are so f***ed. And people are still defending this contract.

 

[bsl]

Molson has to spend the cash anyway. It's not like that money would be over and above the cap.

And it doesn't matter what Rask is making, he signed that contract five years ago. Price has outperformed him over that time on worse teams. And salaries are going up not down.

You are so scrambling at this point.

 

[bsl]

I would trade Price and Pacioretty retained 50% to Philadelphia for Elliot, Lehtera(cap dump), Weise prospects and draft picks.

Pacioretty Giroux Voracek

Why would Philly take them?

 

[Frank Drebin]

Unlike Grneral Manager Stevie Y of the Lightning who allowed superstar Steven Stamkos to reach free agency to resign him (and there were several suitors interested in the 26 year old Stamkos, but he wanted to remain in Tampa Bay and he gave the team a home discount), the idiot Marc Bergevin with dumb owner Geoff Molson’s blessing, resigned Carey Price with more than a year remaining in his contract for an insane eight years, $10.5M per season contract starting at age 30!

Had Price reached free agency in July 1, 2018 and with his lousy play so far this season, what crazy general manager would sign him to a seven year maximum contract duration and at $10.5M annually?

ha ha, when you put it that way, its worse. Lordy lordy

 

[Frank Drebin]

He's letting in terrible goals every game. But I think it's mostly focus. Hopefully a team thinks they can save him and pray a premium for him.

A premium for him at this point is a David Aebischer type goalie.

 

[nhlfan9191]

1 really bad goal, the other 2 were bad. He made some really good saves but he’s checked out. I wish we could find a good home for him and focus and destroy any philosophy that comes with building around a goaltender. I just want this team to be exciting again, maybe it’s possible with Price but us moving on from him shows we’re prepared to start building this team right.

 

[nhlfan9191]

A premium for him at this point is a David Aebischer type goalie.

Where’d you go? Feels like it’s been a long time since I’ve seen you around.