Value of: Carey Price brokered to Colorado or Edmonton

[BigHabs]

I just see since Gorton got to Montreal maybe trying to move Price. Everyone saying Price at 5mill multiple times.

I was wondering if a bottom team looking to pick up a pick would do it. Yes for multiple years but maybe like a 2nd while the Habs get the 1st part of the big trade.

Montreal retains 35%. 3rd team retains 35% of the 7,350,000. Bringing it to a total of 4,777,500.

Montreal

1st
Kuemper
Prospect

Or


1st
Koskinen
Prospect


3rd team

2nd round pick + Prospect


Colorado or Edmonton

Price at 4,777,500


I know there was a thread earlier about it being a rumor. I not saying this could happen. Just going on the hunch of LeBrun saying these two who are cup favorites could really use him. They only have the glaring need in net for the most part.

Not even saying it'd happen but they idea of Price brokered to them a number that works is intriguing.

3 sides can win out of this.

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[mrinsane]

If Price comes at 50% the return should be huge. If Habs takes a bad contract with that kind its a big meh

 

[Flan the incredible]

Has any team other then the team the current player plays for ever retained that much salary for that long?

Pretty sure the answer is no. If a team even entertains it they are admitting they arent competing for 5 years and while that is doubtful the cost would be ridiculous.

 

[dukeofjive]

Gorton approved.

 

[BigHabs]

Has any team other then the team the current player plays for ever retained that much salary for that long?

Pretty sure the answer is no. If a team even entertains it they are admitting they arent competing for 5 years and while that is doubtful the cost would be ridiculous.

It would be 2.6mill for the remainder of the contract.

I see maybe a team like Buffalo being in that position. Lots of cap space. It's been fully torn down. They get futures. The cap won't hurt them and they get assets while giving up nothing thay hurts them in the short term.

 

[Avs44]

If Price comes at 50% the return should be huge. If Habs takes a bad contract with that kind its a big meh

He'll still be 34, have significant health concerns, and have a contract running to 2026. And will be riding on last years playoff run to recuperate his quality of play from the past few regular seasons. If Montreal makes his cap hit actually viable he should get a decent return IMO -- but I don't think any team in the league is giving up a "huge" package for a 34 year old goalie that comes with baggage.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Price at 5 M has a lot of value. A 1st is not enough.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Ok so satisfy the Habs at half for 5 years
Satisfy third team for 5 years
Now satisfy acquiring team to be okay with Carey going forward

 

[PlayMakers]

MTL star goalie to Colorado?

Would be a neat little bit of history repeating itself.

 

[mouser]

I just see since Gorton got to Montreal maybe trying to move Price. Everyone saying Price at 5mill multiple times.

I was wondering if a bottom team looking to pick up a pick would do it. Yes for multiple years but maybe like a 2nd while the Habs get the 1st part of the big trade.

Montreal retains 35%. 3rd team retains 35% of the 7,350,000. Bringing it to a total of 4,777,500.

Montreal

1st
Kuemper
Prospect

Or


1st
Koskinen
Prospect


3rd team

2nd round pick + Prospect


Colorado or Edmonton

Price at 4,777,500


I know there was a thread earlier about it being a rumor. I not saying this could happen. Just going on the hunch of LeBrun saying these two who are cup favorites could really use him. They only have the glaring need in net for the most part.

Not even saying it'd happen but they idea of Price brokered to them a number that works is intriguing.

3 sides can win out of this.

A) Your math looks off on retention cap hits.

B) Under your proposal the third team is using a salary retention slot for 4.5+ years and paying $8m+ dead money and cap to Price. A 2nd + prospect is nowhere near enough value. That’s pushing two 1st round picks worth of value. Minimum a 1st + 2nd pick.

 

[Yannickg]

MTL star goalie to Colorado?

Would be a neat little bit of history repeating itself.

Can you imagine if Patrick Roy is name GM and he’s the one making that trade.

 

[Hasbro]

Retaining so much as $1 Canadian lock up one of three retention slots for four years. Should cost a pretty penny from the Habsburg and/or a facilitator.

 

[belair]

No goalie at his age in the history of hockey is worth the kind of return it would require for another team to retain that kind of salary over term.

It would cost multiple high end assets and in the end you're getting a player whose best years are likely behind them.

Goaltenders simply aren't that valuable.

 

[Avs44]

No goalie at his age in the history of hockey is worth the kind of return it would require for another team to retain that kind of salary over term.

It would cost multiple high end assets and in the end you're getting a player whose best years are likely behind them.

Goaltenders simply aren't that valuable.

Yeah, that kinda seems to be the crux of the problem. If the Canadians do something like retain $4 million over the next 5 seasons it's understandable they'd want an absolutely top return. I get that from their fans' perspective. And yet the receiving team is going to be looking at that...and even with ~$4 million retained Carey Price is the 4th-5th highest paid goaltender in the league. And 34 with significant health concerns...and frankly hasn't maintained a consistently elite record for the past few seasons. So yeah, they'd pay something good for that, but there's no way it's some amazing group of assets that Montreal fans would apparently want if they are going to saddle themselves with significant dead money. A 34 year old with baggage who still remains a ~top 5 highest paid player at his position just doesn't fetch that.

His current contract is just awful.

 

[belair]

Yeah, that kinda seems to be the crux of the problem. If the Canadians do something like retain $4 million over the next 5 seasons it's understandable they'd want an absolutely top return. I get that from their fans' perspective. And yet the receiving team is going to be looking at that...and even with ~$4 million retained Carey Price is the 4th-5th highest paid goaltender in the league. And 34 with significant health concerns...and frankly hasn't maintained a consistently elite record for the past few seasons. So yeah, they'd pay something good for that, but there's no way it's some amazing group of assets that Montreal fans would apparently want if they are going to saddle themselves with significant dead money. A 34 year old with baggage who still remains a ~top 5 highest paid player at his position just doesn't fetch that.

His current contract is just awful.

You can say that again. I never realized that it was buyout-proof. That contract is a poison pill.

 

[John Mandalorian]

Price at 5 M has a lot of value. A 1st is not enough.

Once you equal out salaries (unless bad lesser contracts are going back your way), a 1st isn’t necessary.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

If Price comes at 50% the return should be huge. If Habs takes a bad contract with that kind its a big meh

No he absolutely will not. Even at 50% retained Price is a 34 year old goalie making 5.25M until he's 39(!)

That's is not going to return a lot of value.

 

[John Mandalorian]

As one Avs fan (I say one because we don't share the same brain). I'd consider this:

Girard + Jost + Compher

for

Price 50% retained + Guhle + Lehkonen + Chiarot

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

As one Avs fan (I say one because we don't share the same brain). I'd consider this:

Girard + Jost + Compher

for

Price 50% retained + Guhle + Lehkonen + Chiarot

Yeah there's no way Colorado does that.

 

[John Mandalorian]

Yeah there's no way Colorado does that.

I don't know. It depends on their assessment of Price vs Kuemper. Since they gave up a lot to get Kuemper (as underwhelming as he's been), it's entirely possible/likely that it's ride or die with Kuemper. But if they estimate Price to be more proven and reliable in games that matter, they may bite the bullet.

In this scenario, Montreal gets the best player and best contract (Girard) in the long run. But it has hedges to offset that with Jost for Lehkonen and Chiarot for Compher.

 

[PAZ]

As one Avs fan (I say one because we don't share the same brain). I'd consider this:

Girard + Jost + Compher

for

Price 50% retained + Guhle + Lehkonen + Chiarot

Montreal isn't going to want to give up Guhle and retain 50% for Girard, and I have no interest in gambling the whole Avs' future on Price.

If he doesn't bounce back or his play falls off a cliff, he's an untradeable contract that we're stuck with during Mack's prime.

 

[John Mandalorian]

Montreal isn't going to want to give up Guhle and retain 50% for Girard, and I have no interest in gambling the whole Avs' future on Price.

If he doesn't bounce back or his play falls off a cliff, he's an untradeable contract that we're stuck with during Mack's prime.

Well, I dont think anything youve said isn't sensible. But a lot of it comes down to Price vs Kuemper. Pierce took issue with this on the main board too. I don't necessarily disagree. I think it's possibly/likely ride or die with Kuemper considering what they gave up to get him. And the Avs often take the long view and let things play out. So I'm not necessarily anticipating they'll pivot from Kuemper and go after Price. But in the scenario that they do, this is what I think is fair on both sides.

Montreal doesn't want to give up Guhle. But guess what, I don't want to give up Girard. In this Girard is the best player and the best contract. Price might fall off a cliff. But since Montreal is on the precupice of a rebuild, that's less important to them than the Avs. But there needs to be hedging to make this fair for both sides.

 

[Flan the incredible]

It would be 2.6mill for the remainder of the contract.

I see maybe a team like Buffalo being in that position. Lots of cap space. It's been fully torn down. They get futures. The cap won't hurt them and they get assets while giving up nothing thay hurts them in the short term.

If Buffalo retains that much money for that long it would be to get rid of Skinner.

Plus as an owner spending 13 million in retention you need a guaranteed home run. Picks and anything short of a can't miss prospect isn't going to cut it. Late 1st rounders aren't going to cut it.

 

[Heffyhoof]

Your reasons are compelling. Thanks for the flaky, superficial drive by.

I'd assume he's laughing because that is awful. Girard is in no way shape or form worth that return as neither of the other two pieces of any interest apart from the video game trade worth slider. Girard for Price at 50% is far more reasonable than your proposal.

 

[KingAlfie11]

Goaltenders simply aren't that valuable.

You're joking right? go ask Tampa Bay if goaltenders aren't that valuable?