Navin R Slavin
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It was fun walking the first two games, but the playoffs is the playoffs. It's seven games for a reason. Take a breath, and if you're going to game 5, be loud as f***. And that's it.
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No can do my Cats would not appreciate it.. and I don't want them being all loud and stuff.
Oh you said if you were going to the game.. I still can't afford it
But Go Pull our team to Victory!.Now more seriously.. teams have adjusted to our PP.. We aren't Tampa or Washington that can run the same thing 100+ games in a row and have it net good results.. We don't have a Point or an Ovie..
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ndp
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Yeah I think the last thing this organization needs is adding another piece to "The Borg" infact I think that's an issue they have now. It seems like there's a few different ideas about how the roster should be constructed and they've ended up with a team of mismatched players, as someone said earlier it seems like they're trying to hammer some square pegs into round holes on this roster.
I kind of wish they would pick a direction and just go with it. It's like minn/maxing a character in a videogame.
Unfortunately I think Roddy's mindset is he can get this thing done with a team of grinder types, not unlike himself, as long as they play the system, which good teams seem to figure out and shut them down in the playoffs. When teams know the dump-in is coming and that it's not going to change, their only job is to beat you to that puck and force as many ozone penalties as possible. Or everytime the puck gets kicked out to the blue line the defense is just going to immediately throw it twords the goal. How many blocked muffins from the point do they have lead to breakaways or two on ones going the other way per game? Is anyone tracking that stat?
And maybe they can get it done that way, I think almost any team who makes it out of round one can go on a heater and blaze a path to the cup. But imo they're going to need to bring in some more high-end talent at some point, especially if they want to be perennial contenders. TB has a perennial Norris caliber d-man, Vezina goalie, Stamkos, Point and Kucherov. Sometimes it takes top-end talent to run with top-end talent. Can eight Trochecks, and Skjeis beat six superstars?
All that to say what is this teams identity? Play style? Big strong and physical? Skill and speed? Mixture of the two? The roster is a mess to me right now and it doesn't make sense.
I think the FO is split on how to get this thing done they've got Rod, Timmy and Waddell advocating for the Martinook, Smith and Cole types, players who people like to think of as old school "eye-test" players. While Tulsky is likely looking for players like Bear and Stepan who have strong underlying analytical stats but have to be utilized properly to take advantage of their strengths while mitigating their weaknesses. I think a mixture of the two styles can work, but you've got to have a coaching staff that understands how to deploy those players.
And for the love of (insert chosen deity here) bring in a power play coach and fix the damn thing. I don't know who's running it, don't care, but they need to get it fixed asap.
Edit to add: sorry for the gd blog post. It was a doozy beer and tacos, I had plenty of time to write it all out in the facilities.
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I'd consider Bear, but put him in instead of Skjei. At least Smith and Cole are physical
Aho? And what about Svech? He should have been at Ahos level and sadly He is not.
AhosDatsyukian
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I likely have a free ticket (in great seats too) for Thursday's game 6 here in Boston but after the last 2 games and what I had to deal with (not to mention the excruciatingly loud music being played all night) I will probably turn it down. Certainly not going if we lose tomorrow but even with a win tomorrow will probably pass. May regret it if we are able to close it out in 6 but whatever
Svech At least was Physical.. then the Lindholm hit and since then he's been as Physical as the Softest Cutest stuffed animal..
Well Svech has to score goals. If you get it done with being fisical, so be it. But Svech is also a super skilled guy who has a heck of hockey sense too. So first you create chances for others or score, leave the fisical grinder shit to somebody else.
My Point was that He at least was useful being Physical w/o that he's Necas that doesn't turn it over as much...
AKA Useless. Necas isn't useless atm he's harmful.
Domi is useless as well. He had some nice passes to no one on the 4th line now he's not passing it to anyone.. It's just there.. Skjei Pesce have not been good.. slavin fine TDa not bad until game 4.. Cloe Smith meh..
AKA Useless. Necas isn't useless atm he's harmful.
Domi is useless as well. He had some nice passes to no one on the 4th line now he's not passing it to anyone.. It's just there.. Skjei Pesce have not been good.. slavin fine TDa not bad until game 4.. Cloe Smith meh..
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mismatched players c'mon now. its a matter of guys we target and then who will sign for what we accept as a reasonable amount. Im not sure what we had offered for Saad but he went with STL instead. My guess would be the AAV was there but the years werent. 4 x 4.5 million probably. The plan doesnt always work out.
Rod's system is aggressive on O with the forecheck in an effort to create turnovers below the goal line. Hopefully then creating a moment where the top side forwards arent in a position to stop an easy pass to the front of the net. We need guys that are defensively responsible all the time. We cant have everyone jumping in to contribute if anyone 'refuses' to play defense.
We had an abundance of 4LWs. We were going to let the two UFAs leave and then shopped the RFA for an area of need (defense). Edmonton was an easy target as they were sold on Barrie and not Bear. Bear was a good yes as he was coming off a down year but showed signs of being a really good top 4 RD. And he is strong skater, a basic must for our defense. Hence why Hakanpaa and Edmundson didnt work but Skjei has.
Cole was block shots guy who was willing to take a 1 year deal. He isnt a strong skater and there werent a ton of strong skaters left in our price range. So, 1 year overpay for Cole.
Stepan was a guy we were willing to take a shot on, hoping his injuries would heal and he could return to top 9 center for bottom line money. So, we gave overpaid stepan so that he would take a 1 year deal. Then Kotkaniemi wasnt working on LW so, Stepan got the shaft to an extent.
You 1 year overpay for those types when you have RFAs coming up that you expect to have pay a pretty penny to keep. Necas hasnt earned it though.
Some personnel plans have fallen through, sure. Calling this some personnel philosophy struggle of a roster is more than a reach.
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Sigurd
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Well, I'm not the only one bashing Necas this season. He has been shit to be perfectly blunt. He went from being a young stud with seemingly room to grow, to invisible when he isn't turning over the puck or falling down. I expect more from him than Domi, but yeah Domi hasn't been a presence either.
Also, yeah Svech needs to make hits so he at least has that going for him when he isn't putting up points.
ndp
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I guess the long winded point I was trying to make is that for a team that was supposedly on the forefront of the analytics movement they've gone out and grabbed a bunch of players who don't have very good analytical numbers.
Unless Tulskys model is completely different than every publicly available one then someone else (Rod/Waddell/Dundon) is making these roster decisions.
They somehow ended up with half a roster who either can't mentally process or physically keep up with the pace of the modern NHL. Hence all the stupid penalties against teams like TB and BOS. Stick infractions tend to happen when they're put on their heels right?
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Smith was tough as nails and did everything you could ask of a 3rd pair dman.
Bear will get eaten alive. He could take less penalties than Cole but I'd guess he's more likely to give up a 5v5 goal.
Domi has played decently when filling the 4C slot. His game just doesn't transfer to the wing.
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it comes down the management has to balance playing style fit, acquisition cost, salary cap fit short and long term, and who will sign here. In a perfect world Saad signs for the 4.5 million and we would have the cap to sign a better fitting 3rd pairing defender like Montour. It didnt work out and we had to make do with what we had.
I agree with you re: C versus F.....overall though, Domi acquisition has been a BORG fail particularly when compared to other available players at deadline.
Seems we have a lot of guys playing off positions?
RW - Fast, Nino, Svech
LW - Tuevo, Domi
C - Aho, Jarvis, Trocheck, Lorentz, Necas, KK
RD - TDA, Pesce, Bear
LD - Slavin, Cole, Smith, Slavin, Skjei
So what is the right mix to go into the Blender for tomorrow?
If the Staaal Line stays intact (not a bad thing at all, is it 100% necessary if line balancing is the goal?)
Tuevo-Aho-Svech
Nino (off-handed)-Staal-Fast
Domi-Trocheck-Necas (off-handed)
Lorentz (off-handed)-KK-Stepan (off-handed)
The reality is there is no way to build a game roster where guys play in the natural spots. Can the guys in red play well on the other side?
If we focus on guys in natural spots first, we have:
Tuevo-Aho-Svech
XX-Staal-Fast
Domi-Trocheck-XX
XX-KK-XX
Who would compliment these pairs from the guys remaining? I think I'd move Domi down to the 4th line, put Lorentz (off-handed) with Trocheck. That still leaves the utterly useless Necas having to slot on 3rd line. No confidence in that, he looked scared, soft and clumsy (again) - either he's playing hurt, or butthurt, or he's gone as far as he can go in this org, I just don't see him growing significantly without a major change in his playing style. Domi has shown nothing to suggest he'd be any better, but who else goes there? KK on 3rd line with Tro and ??
So it seems we have an abundance of off-handed 3rd and 4th liners trying to play above their skills.
but what is the answer?
RW - Fast, Nino, Svech
LW - Tuevo, Domi
C - Aho, Jarvis, Trocheck, Lorentz, Necas, KK
RD - TDA, Pesce, Bear
LD - Slavin, Cole, Smith, Slavin, Skjei
So what is the right mix to go into the Blender for tomorrow?
If the Staaal Line stays intact (not a bad thing at all, is it 100% necessary if line balancing is the goal?)
Tuevo-Aho-Svech
Nino (off-handed)-Staal-Fast
Domi-Trocheck-Necas (off-handed)
Lorentz (off-handed)-KK-Stepan (off-handed)
The reality is there is no way to build a game roster where guys play in the natural spots. Can the guys in red play well on the other side?
If we focus on guys in natural spots first, we have:
Tuevo-Aho-Svech
XX-Staal-Fast
Domi-Trocheck-XX
XX-KK-XX
Who would compliment these pairs from the guys remaining? I think I'd move Domi down to the 4th line, put Lorentz (off-handed) with Trocheck. That still leaves the utterly useless Necas having to slot on 3rd line. No confidence in that, he looked scared, soft and clumsy (again) - either he's playing hurt, or butthurt, or he's gone as far as he can go in this org, I just don't see him growing significantly without a major change in his playing style. Domi has shown nothing to suggest he'd be any better, but who else goes there? KK on 3rd line with Tro and ??
So it seems we have an abundance of off-handed 3rd and 4th liners trying to play above their skills.
but what is the answer?
First, where is Jarvis in your lineups? I haven't heard any lingering effects from his groin shot.
I'm not sure how you are determining these "off-handed" spots.
Nino is LH. So if Fast is on RW, Nino is in the correct spot. The LH forwards who routinely play RW are Svech and TT.
Lorentz is LH, Stepan is RH. Unless you are flipping them for some unknown reason, they are fine. And both are completely capable of playing wing, not just C. In fact, I'd say we don't even know if Lorentz can play C at the NHL level because of the NHL depth this team has at C.
Same with Necas; if Domi is playing LW then RH Necas is in the right spot. And again; I'd want to see Necas play C for an extended period before concluding he's superior there to RW.
Drury call up or another Chicago player that brings grit/speed/scoring potential.
ndp
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There's a pretty decent list of players in Chicago who I think could probably bring some speed and scoring potential vs. some of our current roster players.
Poturalski who just put up 101 points. I believe only the fith player in AHL history to win back to back scoring titles? Drury? I would've taken a flyer on bringing up either of these guys before the Domi trade.
Nosen, who just put up 48 in Chicago, leading the AHL in goals, or Levio either one is likely an upgrade on wing over Martinook, Domi, or Nacho at this point.
If they don't want to play Bear, then I would rather see Chatfield, or even Keene, in the lineup over Smith or Cole, pick one. Or rotate between three of on the bottom pair. I get the physicality aspect of both Smith and Cole but when laying the big hit takes them out of the play resulting in a 2 on 1, or breakaway going the other way the big hits become pretty useless.
There's a narrative that physicality wins in the playoffs, and they've made a big point to talk about how their not going to be pushed around physically. But at the end of the day you've got to score more goals than the other team, and when being "physical" ends up leading to playing almost a whole ass period short handed then scoring more goals than the other guys starts to become a daunting task.
Good points.
I think cap restraint kept us from bringing up Chicago players before year end but playoffs gives us unfettered opportunity to bring them up now (Toronto brought up 10 marlies).
Btw: with re to our PP I think Necas has really improved his one timer and should be out there (yeah I know turnover machine But).
I think cap restraint kept us from bringing up Chicago players before year end but playoffs gives us unfettered opportunity to bring them up now (Toronto brought up 10 marlies).
Btw: with re to our PP I think Necas has really improved his one timer and should be out there (yeah I know turnover machine But).
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I hope to see Pyotr in game 5. I do think that kid has the goods to get us out of rd 1.
Anyone else interested in making the GDT for tomorrow? I had an idea for a thread but am good with anyone else who really wanted to make one.
Let me know.
Let me know.
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DaveG
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do it. I'll sacrifice myself to game 6 if we lose this one.
