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Confirmed Signing with Link: [CAR] Victor Rask re-signs (6 years, $4M AAV)

VanIslander said:
:facepalm: $24 million???

For a guy who has scored 21 goals in his 2nd NHL season, under 50 points, doesn't hit or block shots, is a mid 2nd rounder to begin with, has played under 17 minutes a night (12th in ice time among Canes skaters) for a non-playoff team?

The hope must be that the 23 year old will develop some more and prove to be more than a tweener (not good enough to be a 2nd liner on a playoff team, but good enough to be a top-9 forward for an average team.

The signing is not by any means 'great'. It may turn out to be okay. Or two years from now he may be an overpaid 15 minutes a night 15-goal scoring, non-physical forward to be shipped to expansion Vegas along with a higher pick to unload his contract.


Yeah, vippe. You are Swedish, he is Swedish. We get your optimism. But there's no hard evidence that he's worth a 6-year deal at the moment.
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Yea 24M....over 6 years. 4M for a 2nd line player with 1st line potential is a very nice deal. What would of been a good deal? 2 years @ 3M!? Cause that would not of happened.
 
VanIslander said:
:facepalm: $24 million???

For a guy who has scored 21 goals in his 2nd NHL season, under 50 points, doesn't hit or block shots, is a mid 2nd rounder to begin with, has played under 17 minutes a night (12th in ice time among Canes skaters) for a non-playoff team?

The hope must be that the 23 year old will develop some more and prove to be more than a tweener (not good enough to be a 2nd liner on a playoff team, but good enough to be a top-9 forward for an average team.

The signing is not by any means 'great'. It may turn out to be okay. Or two years from now he may be an overpaid 15 minutes a night 15-goal scoring, non-physical forward to be shipped to expansion Vegas along with a higher pick to unload his contract.


Yeah, vippe. You are Swedish, he is Swedish. We get your optimism. But there's no hard evidence that he's worth a 6-year deal at the moment. "Solid" is not exactly the right adjective.
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Victor Rask's stats this year on the Canes were comparable with Jordan Staal's stats this year on the Canes. Jordan makes 6mil/yr.
 
AvsGuy said:
If his trajectory is upwards from 48 points (which surprised me honestly), then this should be an outstanding contract moving forward. What's his comparable? I'm not familiar with the Canes roster overly.
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With no real knowledge, 4m per seems very reasonable for 48 points.
 
VanIslander said:
:facepalm: $24 million???

For a guy who has scored 21 goals in his 2nd NHL season, under 50 points, doesn't hit or block shots, is a mid 2nd rounder to begin with, has played under 17 minutes a night (12th in ice time among Canes skaters) for a non-playoff team?

The hope must be that the 23 year old will develop some more and prove to be more than a tweener (not good enough to be a 2nd liner on a playoff team, but good enough to be a top-9 forward for an average team.

The signing is not by any means 'great'. It may turn out to be okay. Or two years from now he may be an overpaid 15 minutes a night 15-goal scoring, non-physical forward to be shipped to expansion Vegas along with a higher pick to unload his contract.


Yeah, vippe. You are Swedish, he is Swedish. We get your optimism. But there's no hard evidence that he's worth a 6-year deal at the moment. "Solid" is not exactly the right adjective.
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What?

I can't tell if youre trying to hype up Rask sarcastically or trying very poorly to shoot him down? This is a great deal. Canes fans should be thrilled
 
WolfpackGoGo said:
Victor Rask's stats this year on the Canes were comparable with Jordan Staal's stats this year on the Canes. Jordan makes 6mil/yr.
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Is there a human being on this planet who doesn't think Jordan Staal was overpaid? (er, other than his extended family)
 
Victor Rask is a late bloomer. Once considered a top-10 Draft talent, he fell to the Canes in the 2nd Round right next to Brandon Saad. Rask plays a smart, composed, two-way game and while he isn't exactly a Playmaker, he doesn't leave any scraps on the table in terms of points. Nothing about his seasons last year was fluky, in the opinion of someone who watched nearly all of his games last year. He was about as consistent as a player can get and transitioned well to a higher role once Eric Staal was traded.

Good size at 6'2", 200+ lbs. I think his upside is comparable to guys like Stepan, Couture, Jenner, or Henrique. Not a Superstar, but damn well worth $4 million a year for the next 6 years.
 
VanIslander said:
Is there a human being on this planet who doesn't think Jordan Staal was overpaid? (er, other than his extended family)
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Writing a diatribe against Rask when the deal is universally applauded and then attacking Jordan Staal's contract... What's the angle here?

Jordan Staal makes what he is worth. He would get $6 million (or pretty damn close to it) as a UFA right now. Jordan is the type of player that is very valuable in the Playoffs. GMs love these guys.
 
VanIslander said:
:facepalm: $24 million???

For a guy who has scored 21 goals in his 2nd NHL season, under 50 points, doesn't hit or block shots, is a mid 2nd rounder to begin with, has played under 17 minutes a night (12th in ice time among Canes skaters) for a non-playoff team?
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Dude as a Sharks fan you should have a little more optimism for these type of players.
Some were saying similar things about Pavelski
It's an extremely solid contract, if for some reason the wheels come off in Carolina they will be able to move it based on term and what he's already shown

AvsGuy said:
If his trajectory is upwards from 48 points (which surprised me honestly), then this should be an outstanding contract moving forward. What's his comparable? I'm not familiar with the Canes roster overly.
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Somewhere between Turris and Nielson (as a trajectory...imo)
 
hototogisu said:
I think that speaks more to Staal being paid too much than Rask being paid fairly.
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Staal is paid market value. In addition to putting up points, he's about as good as it gets defensively and is a physical presence. Ryan O'Reilly is a little better offensively and signed at $7.5 mil. David Backes is comparable and just signed at an identical $6 mil. That's the going rate for guys like that.

So you take a guy who produces similar offense but lacks the elite defense and sign him at $4 mil. It makes sense. That's the market.
 
tarheelhockey said:
Staal is paid market value. In addition to putting up points, he's about as good as it gets defensively and is a physical presence. Ryan O'Reilly is a little better offensively and signed at $7.5 mil. David Backes is comparable and just signed at an identical $6 mil. That's the going rate for guys like that.

So you take a guy who produces similar offense but lacks the elite defense and sign him at $4 mil. It makes sense. That's the market.
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Don't bring logic into this. If a guy is overpaid when he signs a contract, he's overpaid for the entire length of the contract. That's how it works. :sarcasm:
 
Aho Mitakuye Oyasin said:
Victor Rask is a late bloomer. Once considered a top-10 Draft talent, he fell to the Canes in the 2nd Round right next to Brandon Saad.
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And the big knock on Rask coming into the league was that his skating wasn't up to par. It was pretty widely agreed that he would be a prototypical second-line center, if only he would work on his skating.

Wouldn't you know it... he worked on his skating.
 
It's a solid deal, at least. Sure, a little risk is involved, but that's a more than fair price to pay for the upside of a steal down the line. Not exactly shocking.
 
VanIslander said:
:facepalm: $24 million???

For a guy who has scored 21 goals in his 2nd NHL season, under 50 points, doesn't hit or block shots, is a mid 2nd rounder to begin with, has played under 17 minutes a night (12th in ice time among Canes skaters) for a non-playoff team?

The hope must be that the 23 year old will develop some more and prove to be more than a tweener (not good enough to be a 2nd liner on a playoff team, but good enough to be a top-9 forward for an average team.

The signing is not by any means 'great'. It may turn out to be okay. Or two years from now he may be an overpaid 15 minutes a night 15-goal scoring, non-physical forward to be shipped to expansion Vegas along with a higher pick to unload his contract.


Yeah, vippe. You are Swedish, he is Swedish. We get your optimism. But there's no hard evidence that he's worth a 6-year deal at the moment. "Solid" is not exactly the right adjective.
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I see you've watched a lot of Victor Rask and are very knowledgeable with the going rate for players of his ilk.
 
AdamKoto said:
Yep, agreed. If he can take the next step to 55+ pts I'll consider him a low end 1C. Love this contract though. Even if he levels out around 50 pts its still pretty good.

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Low end as in Jonathan Toews?
 
tarheelhockey said:
Staal is paid market value. In addition to putting up points, he's about as good as it gets defensively and is a physical presence. Ryan O'Reilly is a little better offensively and signed at $7.5 mil. David Backes is comparable and just signed at an identical $6 mil. That's the going rate for guys like that.

So you take a guy who produces similar offense but lacks the elite defense and sign him at $4 mil. It makes sense. That's the market.
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"A little better offensively" is putting it gently but that's okay, because I think Ryan O'Reilly is overpaid too. And I think David Backes is too.

So if the market is overpaying for those guys then you've got me dead to rights, but a spade is still a spade.
 
This is a steal of a contract. Even if he only tops out as a 55-point guy, which is a perfectly reasonable expectation. He's pretty solid defensively too.
 
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