It's a difference of opinion, and one that most objective observers agree with. You need links?
No, I don't need more whiny posts.
Bunting's adequate. In terms of impact, he's on a Smith/Rakell level - two guys we've been hoping to move on from because they really don't move the needle for their price tag.
And he was likely added for cap reasons. He also provides different elements that Smith and Rakell do not. We've been yearning for net front presence all year and now that we have someone, you want to whine.
We got a 2nd round pick that turns into the absolute latest 1st round pick if everything goes right.
It could still be a 1st round pick. The 1st that Henrique and Carrick got could just as easily be the 32nd OV but you seem to give that MASSIVE value. You can't even keep how you judge picks straight. Again...whining for the sake of whining.
By your standard, Ty Smith is "NHL ready" too.
Yes, I would absolutely say that Smith is "NHL ready" given the fact he's played 124 games over the last four seasons.
Koivunen is playing in the Liiga, not SHL.
None of these players are who I'd hope to draft with a late 1st. That would be more like Nadeau, who Carolina kept.
PPG in the NCAA 2 years post-draft isn't great for a forward drafted in the 1st round.
Liiga and the SHL are comparable leagues.
Any time a sophomore goes PPG in both freshman and sophomore leagues, it is good, especially for a fourth-round pick.
Nadeau is Carolina's top forward prospect. Show me a TDL move for a rental where a team has given up their #1 ranked forward prospect? I'll wait.
Henrique's return was much better value, relative to the difference in quality of player. He's not in Guentzel's stratosphere. But he got quality over quantity, which was Dubas's stated goal.
No it wasn't. And Anaheim gave up Carrick as well who is another bottom 6 roster player. It wasn't Henrique for a low 1st as you seem to think. It was Henrique+Carrick for a LATE 1st and a 5th. I'm sorry, if you're somehow saying that a 1st+5th > Bunting, 3 prospects, 1st/2nd, 5th then I have no idea what to tell you. But if you think you're so right, start a poll and seek HF's opinion.
A late 1st is better than roster player, 2 2nd round prospects, a 4th round prospect, a 1st that has the potential to be exactly where the other 1st will be, and a 5th. JFC. I've read some stupid whiny shit on this site, but this may make the "HOF of Dumb"
Your assessment of the pieces we got is off. They are not 1st round calibre - and any objective article on the trade has said as much, and I can flood you with links panning the Pens return if you doubt it. Or maybe look at who everyone was speculating on before the deal was made and fans started rationalizing - Hint: Koivunen was not looked at as a lynchpin futures asset.
I never said they were 1st round caliber. You're moving the goal posts. The question is, did the Penguins get a good return or not, and the fact is - yes they did if you actually examine what they got. To say that a late 1st is somehow better than what they got is pure asinine. Again, whiny for the sake of being whiny.
It was a shit return for an elite winger that the Pens will not be able to replace, which makes any hope of contending again during Crosby's time much more difficult. That's calling a spade a spade.
They were never going to replace Guentzel when trading Guentzel. That was never the point nor the goal of trading him. The return they got isn't the issue, the issue is your expectations. That's not Dubas fault that some random guy on HFB arbitrarily set some random value and then whines when did didn't get it.
The team wasn't contending with Guentzel on the roster this year, so what difference does it make if they don't keep him for the rest of the year? This trade was asset management 101.
