okay, but have you considered that you're wrong and that the analysis from Nucks fans (and others) leading up to the deadline is actually more accurate than literally Guentzel's entire career on-ice performance?
Been watching your team and I agree. He's a good fit. Carolina is filled with structurally sound and defensively responsible players. It insulates him well and allows him to do what he does best. I hope he extends with you guys. He'd be wasted on a rebuilding penguins team.Guentzel has been a great fit on the team. He came as advertised. Poor defensively, but excellent nose for the net and great vision offensively. His best attribute indeed is finding smart plays for high danger shots in the slot. He is a wizard of knowing when to pass and shoot. His shot is deceptive.
The Canes have had to adjust a lot to get an infusion of skill from Kuznetsov and Guentzel. They literally aren't used to guys making that pretty pass on a 2-on-1 and are seemingly used to trying to shoot through a goalie and not around him.
Also we need to not play Jarvis with Aho + Guentzel as Jarvis is going to score 40 points in the last 15 games and price himself out with his next contract. Gotta put him back on the Staal & Martinook line as it's best for the team.
Most of us want him extended now, he is elite and thinks the game at the speed we need in the top 6. 8-9m per for 8years if he takes it, he's staying.
Yeah still do not like this deal at all. Dubas didn't even possibly get another add like Pens get a 2nd round pick if he re-signs or something.
Illegal to do under the new CBA
Presumably it was the best return they had available so what can you do
Not only that, but a better winger than the Pens are going to see for the rest of Crosby's time here. They ain't replacing Guentzel.
All signs are that the Pens didn't make any overtures since last off-season.Presumably it was the best return they had available so what can you do
I doubt their ability to re-sign Guentzel depended on if he stayed there or not. I'm sure Jake is seeing what everybody is seeing where the Pens are headed, and playoff teams will for sure be interested. Low chance he would've signed with the Pens on July 1st without thinking through the other options first.
And if the Pens for some reason are willing to load up the cash to try and entice him with money, this trade doesn't prevent them from doing so after the cap goes up.
They basically got 3 2nds for a rental. I'm not upset about the return.
You weren’t getting top pieces for a rental no matter how mad you are about it
He's an insanely good player. You haven't seen anything yet. Just wait til April
You're prob right about his value being more than what they got.
Why though? They're headed for a rebuild in a couple years. Guentzel is already 30 by the time next season starts, and with the cap going up, should price himself at around 9M if the Meier contract is any indication.
The best rental on the market, but that's not even the main point.
See above.
But they couldn’t keep him. He was going to market. Signing Jake to a huge term extension does nothing for them, and I’ve read he was going to test the market anyways. Why are you assuming they could’ve re signed him?
If you trade Guentzel for Bunting, you are not truly trying to stay competitive for the next 2 years, whatever Dubas says.
Everything I've heard from Dubas himself and local beat writers suggests otherwise.
Koivunen had 56 points in 59 games in Liiga as a 20 year old. Why would you assume that he has a bottom 6 ceiling?? He might be in Pittsburgh's bottom 6 next year, but his ceiling is absolutely top 6.
