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He does seem very Jarvis-esque and Jarvy had a sophomore slump as well. I'm feeling pretty optimistic of things given the situation.
Confirmed with Link: [CAR/DAL] Rantanen to DAL, Stankoven, 1sts to CAR
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Necas coming in long-term at 8-9 is the only thing I wonder about. If he stays consistent next to MacKinnon he's going to want to get paid like a top tier wing. And they may have just kicked the can for a year on what you're willing to pay a wing.
baconandbread
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Yep, I feel like that would have been his ask if he was still a Cane/70 pt player. Now with the Avs he's possibly a 100pt player...my guess is 10 plus
robbieberns
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My problem with Stankoven is more so us bringing in another small guy, especially if he’s a long term 2C prospect. Aho and Stankoven is a really tiny 1-2 punch at C, everything else about him is great I’m just wary when we already lost a lot of size on the back end last summer.
Buenos Necas
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I agree and I think the other part of why this sounds harsher than he means it is he probably includes himself in the "we" given he's got more say in personnel matters than most every other coach in the league. Obviously not a move Tulsky/Dundon make without Rod's blessing. That's something he knows and we as fans know, but doesn't come off well in these quotes without that context.
A few days later and a win under our belts and I’m even more convinced we’ll be fine than I was day of.
A fun aspect of this that hasn’t been discussed as much: Tulsky’s whole refrain all offseason was bringing guys in that fit the way the Hurricanes want to play under Rod Brind’Amour. It was his oft-repeated summary of the offseason deals.
Well, we’ve always had one guy who was a bit of an outlier there, Necas. So, when it came time to trade him, well, how often do you get a Mikko Rantanen? You’re getting rid of an anti-pattern guy for an even better anti-pattern guy, so go do it, why not?
With the dismount of Rantanen here, we get a guy who, by all accounts, is a picture perfect RBA guy in Stankoven.
So, though circuitous and tumultuous, we’ve ended up making a series of moves that perfect fit the stated MO of the front office from the offseason. Identity FTW!
A fun aspect of this that hasn’t been discussed as much: Tulsky’s whole refrain all offseason was bringing guys in that fit the way the Hurricanes want to play under Rod Brind’Amour. It was his oft-repeated summary of the offseason deals.
Well, we’ve always had one guy who was a bit of an outlier there, Necas. So, when it came time to trade him, well, how often do you get a Mikko Rantanen? You’re getting rid of an anti-pattern guy for an even better anti-pattern guy, so go do it, why not?
With the dismount of Rantanen here, we get a guy who, by all accounts, is a picture perfect RBA guy in Stankoven.
So, though circuitous and tumultuous, we’ve ended up making a series of moves that perfect fit the stated MO of the front office from the offseason. Identity FTW!
Borsig
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I'll admit I've never had a young player seemingly untouchable from another team that I wanted so much and actually got him. You got your first taste last night. The litte f***er is fearless. He's like a damn badger.
Last year when nachos took us to arbitration I wanted to trade him for tank. Here we are. And scored a ppg with a NET FRONT on his first game.
You bitched for years about a net front guy. You never knew it would come in a 5'8 170 lb package. The kid is like a damn cattle dog out there.
Last year when nachos took us to arbitration I wanted to trade him for tank. Here we are. And scored a ppg with a NET FRONT on his first game.
You bitched for years about a net front guy. You never knew it would come in a 5'8 170 lb package. The kid is like a damn cattle dog out there.
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Agreed plus early returns on the other acquisition was of course good. What I like about Janky is that he is big and fits the 4th line/PK roles really well.
Our "4th line" yesterday was awesome.
Hopefully it continues and we have "3rd & 4th" lines that are O zone time eat
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I really, really like Jankowski's attitude so far. Hes a hell of an Upgrade to Jost.
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I'm sure lots of Stars fans have already mentioned this, but hope Stankoven does really well for you guys. We were all big fans of his and want him to do well, such a fun tenacious player.
spockBokk
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Seravalli says the Canes final offer to Rantanen actually was $14M x 8:
He also really poo-poos the feasibility of Marner ever wanting to come to CAR
He also really poo-poos the feasibility of Marner ever wanting to come to CAR
DaveG
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I mean, Servalli, but on the other hand I hope he's right about Marner. We can build a more balanced team by NOT throwing 14-15M a year at that guy and signing someone like Ehlers for about half that give or take a few hundred K.
TheReelChuckFletcher
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We could probably get Ehlers or Boeser in for $8M per, though if Winnipeg goes deep, Ehlers probably won't make it to market.
Joe McGrath
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I find it weird people are calling the 1st round picks “late”. 2026 probably will be, but 2028? It’s not outside the realm of possibility the Stars have a crap season 3 years from now.
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I want us to do one of 2 things.
1 - Bring in absurdly high levels of offensive talent to go with the Slavin, Nikishin, Chatty, Morrow, etc defense we have.
2 - Bring in some heavy hitting tough sons a bitches that make playing against us in a 7 game series a living hell that goes beyond just grinding the boards, but also laying bodies on you and playing over the line more often than not knowing the refs can't call everything.
As much as Option 1 would be awesome, I think #2 is the more realistic play that possibly has more meaningful change to us over the long term.
1 - Bring in absurdly high levels of offensive talent to go with the Slavin, Nikishin, Chatty, Morrow, etc defense we have.
2 - Bring in some heavy hitting tough sons a bitches that make playing against us in a 7 game series a living hell that goes beyond just grinding the boards, but also laying bodies on you and playing over the line more often than not knowing the refs can't call everything.
As much as Option 1 would be awesome, I think #2 is the more realistic play that possibly has more meaningful change to us over the long term.
AhosDatsyukian
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Well, considering the makeup of their roster right now and all their young talent I think it's highly unlikely that pick is better than 20. Not to mention, it is top 10 protected so even if they did have a crap season, our upside with that pick is very limited. Also, the further out in the future a pick is, the less value it has. I don't view those picks as great assets, they are fine but still low value to me for a Necas return. But hey, maybe we get really lucky with the pick like we did with the Leafs' pick from Jarvis and it winds up like 11-15. But the Stars aren't the Leafs in terms of playoff choking and there's probably not gonna be covid weirdness affecting that postseason either.
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Yup.
Man, whiffing on that Tkachuk deal hurt. He was the perfect guy for RBA.
CanesUltimate11
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Would you have given up Aho+ for Tkachuk? Because I'm pretty sure that's the only way to beat the Florida deal.
Derailed75
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We didn't give away Necas for scraps. No way in hell any GM in the NHL trades Necas and Drury for Hall, Stankoven 2 first and 2 thirds. We actually came out ahead on this.
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Honestly, Guenztal hurts the most. That’s a guy that wanted to stay here, that showed instant chemistry with our star players, and fit the system to a T, and we missed him because of the need to get the best deal.
The Faulker 27
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And he's surprisingly durable, and scrappy for his size. He was the perfect fit here. Out of all the players we've whiffed on, and or had to let go, that one hurt the most for me. I really wanted Guentzel jersey, but never pulled the trigger. I'm sure they're floating around on the internet.
AhosDatsyukian
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Hall was a dump from Chicago unrelated to Necas, we gave Chicago a single 3rd for Hall and $4m in cap space so basically a 4th/5th and a move that could easily be made separate from the Colorado trade. We also gave away picks (2nd & 4th rounds) in the Colorado trade that basically equalled the 2 thirds from Dallas so cancel those out. Drury could be argued was worth that 2028 first, maybe not but Drury had value.
So Necas for Stankoven and a late 1st. Sorry, but nobody can convince me that it wasn't ultimately Necas for scraps. I'm higher on Necas than most and lower on Stank's ceiling than most but that aside it still was poor asset management. We took a swing on a top tier winger and it didn't work out, it sucks and it was a mistake but one I'm fine with us having taken -- not one we can't recover from/fix. But I can't see any argument that we "came out ahead." Serious rose colored glasses there.
