Confirmed with Link: [CAR/DAL] Rantanen to DAL, Stankoven, 1sts to CAR

[AhosDatsyukian]

They could have talked to him first. I'm guessing they didn't because they're trying to be clever and pay rental prices for an extended guy. Almost worked for Guentzel, didn't it. If that's the case I don't think that's coming from Tulsky.

But if the guys response to getting traded to a place he doesn't want to be is to sulk and half-ass it, then yes, screw him, get him off the team. Good bye.

Necas was not a rental price though, not even close

 

[Chrispy]

Necas was not a rental price though, not even close

He also isn’t anywhere near full value for Rantanen though.

 

[WreckingCrew]

They could have talked to him first. I'm guessing they didn't because they're trying to be clever and pay rental prices for an extended guy. Almost worked for Guentzel, didn't it. If that's the case I don't think that's coming from Tulsky.

But if the guys response to getting traded to a place he doesn't want to be is to sulk and half-ass it, then yes, screw him, get him off the team. Good bye.

You can't really talk to them though, that would be considered tampering. Unless the players agent is the one being subversive and actively hindering a team as Rants agent appears to have done

 

[tarheelhockey]

They could have talked to him first. I'm guessing they didn't because they're trying to be clever and pay rental prices for an extended guy.

Based on earlier reports, Colorado didn’t permit Tulsky to speak with Rantanen ahead of the trade. And understandably so, as it would have tanked the trade and created a circus internally and externally for the Avs.

Tulsky was willing to take the risk and swing at a big talent, and openly expressed that he was comfortable with the possibility that Rantanen would walk away. The one thing that he really couldn’t have anticipated was Rantanen’s poor play and shitty attitude. I have a hard time faulting Tulsky for that, as one would expect a player of Rantanen’s caliber and monetary demands to step up and make the most of the situation.

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

He also isn’t anywhere near full value for Rantanen though.

full value wound up being stankoven and a couple 1sts -- Necas is worth that or more easily.

 

[Derailed75]

full value wound up being stankoven and a couple 1sts -- Necas is worth that or more easily.

Let's be realistic. Nachos is a really good player but would never have pulled two firsts, let alone two firsts and a NHL player.

 

[Unhinged Finn]

Guys guys. You are forgetting the biggest piece. Nils Juntorp, duh.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

full value wound up being stankoven and a couple 1sts -- Necas is worth that or more easily.

And a couple of 3rds, which for this franchise isn't just a throwaway. Nikishin was a 3rd round pick, lest we forget.

 

[Chrispy]

And a couple of 3rds, which for this franchise isn't just a throwaway. Nikishin was a 3rd round pick, lest we forget.

And those 3rds become 4ths and more with Tulsky.

Which can become Slavin.

 

[User13452]

Gonna reserve judgement on Necas until playoffs come when the ice shrinks and the games get tougher we’ll see how he does

 

[FinPanda]

Rantanen has given me bad vibes for years, I did hope him success with the Canes and now I hope him the best with Dallas. That is only because he is a Finn though. I just don't like him. I don't know if he makes my top 10 favourite Finns in the NHL, probably not. Just dislike his game, just the way he acts and everything.

 

[Surrounded By Ahos]

Dundon so cheap

 

[tarheelhockey]

Dundon so cheap

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I mean, if they’re not replacing the number then this translates to “we’ll change it to Roslovic… or, you know, whatever”.

 

[tarheelhockey]

full value wound up being stankoven and a couple 1sts -- Necas is worth that or more easily.

It’s true that Necas is worth more, but we were the ones trying to get rid of him. That naturally brings the price down a bit.

Honestly, landing Rantanen for him pretty incredible. Everyone’s cranky because of the way it played out, but that was a mega-brain move by Tulsky.

 

[Chrispy]

full value wound up being stankoven and a couple 1sts -- Necas is worth that or more easily.

If you look back at the summer, it’s a lot more than the rumored Necas deals.

Yes, he improved his stock a lot in 24-25. Just like he did in 22-23. We are all aware of how streaky Necas is and Carolina sold him at a high value.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

It’s true that Necas is worth more, but we were the ones trying to get rid of him. That naturally brings the price down a bit.

Honestly, landing Rantanen for him pretty incredible. Everyone’s cranky because of the way it played out, but that was a mega-brain move by Tulsky.

Correct, and the reality is that Tulsky did a great job with also not falling for the sunk cost fallacy. When the guy we picked up clearly did not want to play for the Hurricanes, we got fantastic asset capital for him, more than what Necas would've received in a trade last offseason.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Correct, and the reality is that Tulsky did a great job with also not falling for the sunk cost fallacy.

One of the great unanswered questions in all of this — how much influence did Tom Dundon have on the process?

From the small bread crumbs of info we have, it feels like the sort of situation where Dundon reads Tulsky’s quote about letting Rantanen walk as a UFA, and just keeps saying “make this make sense to me” until Tulsky changes his mind.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

One of the great unanswered questions in all of this — how much influence did Tom Dundon have on the process?

From the small bread crumbs of info we have, it feels like the sort of situation where Dundon reads Tulsky’s quote about letting Rantanen walk as a UFA, and just keeps saying “make this make sense to me” until Tulsky gets the hint.

Like a lot of things with the Canes, it's almost certainly a team effort.

 

[Stanky and Janky]

Probably a much more difficult decision for Dundon, Tulsky, and the rest if he has 15 points in 12 games even if they know he won't sign. With no production, no desire to stay, and the cloud hanging over everyone, I'm guessing most of them agreed on the final decision.