Prospect Info: Caps Top Prospects General Discussion Thread Vol. 2 - 2021-22

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Whether he makes it to 20 may hinge on his interviews. If he's perceived to be a higher maintenance player teams may find alternatives up to a certain point. The Caps historically have been willing to take on those risks for the sake of upside. We'll see. One of my biggest hang-ups with him is how lanky he is and generally unengaged physically. So it's good to read that he's training with Gary Roberts at least. He'll never be much of a physical player I don't expect but more strength is a must.
 

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Few late round guys I really liked weren't in the system but of available players here's my go. Adds mostly to the offensive side of the prospect pool which is what we so desperately need in the coming years. Hoping if we don't trade all our picks away before we make them that Ross and team go that direction as well. We've got plenty of grinders, some serviceable d prospects...swing for the fences over and over. You'll knock at least one out of the park.

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They'll take a European in there somewhere. 2007 is the last draft where they didn't draft one.

I doubt any of those players are available in those spots. Mateychuk may be the closest I guess. Rinzel & Schaefer likely are also gone by 46.
 

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I wonder how the tiers are viewed this year. Remember that behind the scenes draft day coverage of the Lapierre pick and the move up was due to him being a tier breaker. So maybe that guy could be Lambert or Mateychuk or Yurov I bet
 

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If we're operating under the logic of players to move up for or who I'd somewhat hesitate to deal the 20th pick and lose out on it's only Mateychuk or Yurov. I don't think Lambert has fully shown he's above the field all-around. If absolutely everything goes right, sure, but that can be said for others. Howard & Firkus enter into the equation in terms of pure offensive upside if risk is disregarded. Lambert is bigger and faster but I don't know that he maximizes it. Coaxing it out of him could be a task and I don't know if that's an overly appealing one to the point of moving up for. He could make a lot of teams look stupid if the lights go on but risk has to be factored in and it's mainly what distinguishes Mateychuk & Yurov as fits. Yurov hasn't gotten a foothold in the KHL and his passport may push him down but the two-way effort is advanced. The consistency of those two, in addition to their skill level, are what you'd ideally want complementing an aging core. In terms of players that would substantially help elevate their pace those two stand out most. They're the most energizing all-around. Mateychuk's size could be a concern but his passion and skating align with how the Caps like their D activating. Similarly with Yurov they'd be getting a player that knows how to support and has a pretty good stick. Their pure upside is maybe comparable to others in that range but the fit is strong from an underlying complementary standpoint. Others will need to make strides adjusting to the pro game. McGroarty's skating. Nazar's defense and explosiveness. Geekie's skating. Lambert's effort and off puck play. Ohgren's explosiveness. Lambert could help with zone entries and getting through neutral but off puck play isn't to the point where I'd be totally sold on his possession game and impact potential. Maybe they all figure it out but it does add varying levels of risk. That's not to say Mateychuk & Yurov are perfect but they possess more of the qualities I'd prioritize foundationally.

The 23 I posted Friday minus Bichsel & Gaucher is how I'd narrow it down as a secondary tier group. Those two are less projectable offensively, though I don't doubt some view them as more safe. They do offer defensive value but in terms of safer offensive upside that's the group. After the top 12 another nine of Mateychuk, Yurov, Nazar, Geekie, Lambert, McGroarty, Kulich, Miro & Ohgren. BIchsel will probably be gone, pushing someone else down. They're assured to have two and probably at least three from that group available. They should be able to add someone with the potential to rival or better CMM/Lapierre. With some I do wonder about the cumulative effect of smaller/softer talents going forward and whether it projects well to playoff hockey or possession generally any time soon. And with some of the skating concerns whether it makes sense on an already fairly slow team.

I like many of the nine secondary players as prospects and decent fits but clearly they have more pressing near-term needs. There's only one Ovechkin and to not aggressively improve the lineup the next couple seasons would be regrettable. There's likely no patient, long-term strategy that won't involve sucking post-Ovechkin. They shouldn't unconditionally try to avoid it, vaguely planning for a period likely to suck either way. They're not elite to the point where they project to aggressively maximize other areas, developing secondary strengths to ward off a decline. It's part of why they've struggled to break through in the playoffs most years. They haven't managed often enough to get that mix right. Banking picks in the 20's is probably not the way barring a lot of luck. They'll need cap value, of course, but they also need to be brutally honest about their goals, assets and what helps most in achieving them. Hard then not to view futures primarily as assets that should be cashed in for pieces more certain to move the dial the next few seasons, esp. in crucial areas of need.
 

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McKeen's mocks:

1. Ohgren
2. Mateychuk
Ohgren is interesting. I’ve seen him ranked anywhere from 16 to 28. A popular comp for him is Gustav Nyquist who would fit their profile as a two-way player who can skate. Don’t think he has as much offensive upside as others but he’s also 6’1” 200+ so he has size and he’s dabbled at center which could additional checks in the box.

Curious if Yurov was gone in both of those mocks?
 

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Haven't seen the full list yet but seems like Mateychuk & McGroarty aren't in his top 20. Nor is Bichsel.

Edit: Mateychuk 24, McGroarty 27.
 
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I'm surprised Mateychuk isn't seeing a bump from the Cale Makar effect. Teams love to copy the most recent stanley cup champs in the next draft. But i guess you see the upside from Korchinski and Mintyukov and take the tall dude instead
 

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Iorio really had a big year and seems to have sky-rocketed up our prospect board. Looking like he could be another great value add in the second round and a nice piece for the future and/or a big trade.
 

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I'm surprised Mateychuk isn't seeing a bump from the Cale Makar effect. Teams love to copy the most recent stanley cup champs in the next draft. But i guess you see the upside from Korchinski and Mintyukov and take the tall dude instead
They're also really good skaters so it's not too surprising for length/wingspan to win out. Bob did say that some scouts have Mateychuk near the top 10 and others outside the first round. Not sure what those others are smoking. If DBB is a top 32 player there's no question IMO that Mateychuk is.

Overall Bob's top 12 are the locks I'd listed to be gone. Throw in Geekie, Nazar and I guess Lambert and those are safe bets to be gone. That's 15. So then where do Yurov & Mateychuk go? Miroshnichenko? McGroarty more likely being available spices it up. Ostlund at 22 is surprising and you wonder if teams in need of a center after Geekie could inflate his stock further. Firkus at 34 strikes me as the biggest oversight and the draft's most underrated talent. He's my highest-ranked player not in Bob's first round (one of three with the other two between 30-32). If teams are willing to overlook Ostlund's lack of size/strength they should with Firkus as well. Firkus needs to get faster and maybe isn't as fundamentally sound defensively but his shot and vision are some of the best this draft has to offer. Again, hard to believe a DBB is viewed more highly.

I like the placement of Warren & Bystedt in the 40s. Perhaps that's close enough to trade up for. Otherwise Lutz would be my sleeper pick at 46.
 
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Langway

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One last go...

In the mix: Mateychuk, Yurov, Miroshnichenko, Kulich//McGroarty, Ohgren, Bichsel
46: Warren, Bystedt, Lutz, Lorenz, Hutson, Havelid, Goyette, Sapovaliv, Sykora, Lindgren

A McGroarty/Ohgren/Bichsel floor is not so bad. I'd opt for any over Snuggerud/Howard/Pickering/Gaucher. Hard to say how realistic some of those options at 46 may be but at least a few will be available. Not sure any would be massive steals per se. Someone like Sapovaliv seems like the floor. I'd think about moving up for Mateychuk & Yurov for sure (ideally if it's just a couple spots then using the third rounder instead of 46).
 

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