Speculation: Caps Roster General Discussion (Coaching/FAs/Cap/Lines etc) - 2023 Off-season

[twabby]

 

[RandyHolt]

Calling our best draft trade a miss is a bad take. Trading Steve Eminger to the flyers after 1 good playoff game for Carlson was maybe GMGM best trade.

Yep. And it was the Erskine Eminger pairing that fooled Philly. Erskine carried that pair and no surprise Erskine would have a solid playoff series vs the Flies - that scenario was the wheelhouse for Erskine if there ever was one. Yeah I am still pissed they called the Poti penalty when someone stepped on his blade because Erskine had tripped up someone on the shift before that uncalled. 15 years I can remember it like yesterday and yes I am still bitter. Random Fact: Erskine had 4 shots in that game 7 meanwhile the more "offensive" trade bait Eminger had only 1 shot the entire series.

2008 NHL Eastern Conference Quarter-Finals: PHI vs. WSH | Hockey-Reference.com

2008 NHL Eastern Conference Quarter-Finals: PHI vs. WSH

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[twabby]

Calling our best draft trade a miss is a bad take. Trading Steve Eminger to the flyers after 1 good playoff game for Carlson was maybe GMGM best trade.

Again I'm not saying it's a miss in the traditional sense of the word. Carlson was an excellent pick no matter how you slice it. If every pick they made was as efficient as the Carlson pick they'd be unstoppable.

But in the purely mathematical sense they may have left a tiny bit of value on the table if you value Josi higher than Carlson as a player, which I think most people do. I was simply trying to define what a miss meant in this context. In no way am I suggesting they made a bad pick.

 

[um]

Calling our best draft trade a miss is a bad take. Trading Steve Eminger to the flyers after 1 good playoff game for Carlson was maybe GMGM best trade.

He was traded for the 27th overall pick. Luckily the scouts and/or GMGM found the 6th best player in the draft with that pick.

But yea, an awesome trade. Nailing the 1st round in 2010 was also a huge win.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Again I'm not saying it's a miss in the traditional sense of the word. Carlson was an excellent pick no matter how you slice it. If every pick they made was as efficient as the Carlson pick they'd be unstoppable.

But in the purely mathematical sense they may have left a tiny bit of value on the table if you value Josi higher than Carlson as a player, which I think most people do. I was simply trying to define what a miss meant in this context. In no way am I suggesting they made a bad pick.

Lol….nope sorry, you can’t claim Carlson as a miss.

 

[HTFN]

Uhhhh.... what in the world is going on in here? Seems like a good example of how hyperfocus on optimizing numbers and bad methodology can make people say some really goofy things and draw irrelevant or incomplete conclusions.

 

[g00n]

Uhhhh.... what in the world is going on in here? Seems like a good example of how hyperfocus on optimizing numbers and bad methodology can make people say some really goofy things and draw irrelevant or incomplete conclusions.

Molding reality and ditching common sense or observation just to fit the numbers is textbook bad science.

 

[HeyMattyB]

Molding reality and ditching common sense or observation just to fit the numbers is textbook bad science.

Yes, but... bending magic and technology, combining fantasy and microchips, just to see things behind bolted doors, talent and imagination is... textbook weird science. (OooOooh!)

 

[HandsomeTom43]

I'm going to be honest, I haven't read through most of these recent posts, so please correct me, but is there an argument being made that we missed with the Carlson pick because we didn't take Josi?

 

[twabby]

I'm going to be honest, I haven't read through most of these recent posts

That’s ok. Neither has anyone else! It’s just people posting words. We’re all having fun posting words. Don’t worry about looking for meaning or context, just post with your heart. Whatever you’re feeling at the time, let it loose. We’re all friends here.

 

[hockeykicker]

 

[Langway]

Carbery putting in the work talking to Blashill. Love it.

Mantha basically admitting he's shaping up mostly because he's in a contract year. Buyer beware. Simply about that paycheck.

 

[RandyHolt]

Contract year compete level boost. Sell high after any little hot streak he has.

 

[SecretaryofDefense5]

Don’t want. No thanks. Dude will injure himself before you know it.

 

[usiel]

Please just let the season start already.

28 or so day till rookie camp starts.

 

[usiel]

Don’t want. No thanks. Dude will injure himself before you know it.

Losing 10 pounds he's getting ready to level up his finesse game everyone!

 

[HTFN]

Don’t want. No thanks. Dude will injure himself before you know it.

I don't really understand this at all...
You don't want a more motivated Mantha? You think the weight change is going to get him more injured because something? Recognizing his mentality is somehow bad?

This is just naysaying to do it, to my eyes.

 

[trick9]

I don't really understand this at all...
You don't want a more motivated Mantha? You think the weight change is going to get him more injured because something? Recognizing his mentality is somehow bad?

This is just naysaying to do it, to my eyes.

I love this interview... for the start of next season. He's clearly motivated to play but for our team it's good thing because he can start to rebuild his trade value.

But for me... he's being motivated for all the wrong reasons. I still wish that even if we are playing well and even if we are in a Playoff spot at the TDL, we ship this guy out. Use the assets (/ cap space) you gain in that deal to improve the team.

Major red flag for anyone that's looking to sign him next summer. I hope it's not us.

 

[Ridley Simon]

I don’t care about next year for Big Mo. just have a f***ing good season. You owe us one now. 5.7m?

Show us!

 

[g00n]

Well that really just kind of proves he didn't give a f***, right?

Knowingly carrying around AT LEAST 10 extra pounds and only deciding to get motivated when the coach changes and you're on the hot seat?

I hope dude plays well but no way in hell do you re-up on a long-term deal that lets him get comfy in the big fluffy couch for a few years.

 

[SecretaryofDefense5]

I don't really understand this at all...
You don't want a more motivated Mantha? You think the weight change is going to get him more injured because something? Recognizing his mentality is somehow bad?

This is just naysaying to do it, to my eyes.

He has a long history of being injured (even before the Caps with the Wings). It is inevitable. It has nothing to do with the weight loss. I could care less about that.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Carbery putting in the work talking to Blashill. Love it.

Mantha basically admitting he's shaping up mostly because he's in a contract year. Buyer beware. Simply about that paycheck.

As it often is, but unless GMBM is a fool, he realizes this and will either reap the rewards on ice, or in trade return.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Losing 10 pounds he's getting ready to level up his finesse game everyone!

I thought the same thing….

I might have been intrigued if he said, “added 10lbs, want to get stronger to go to the greasy areas to get those goals I have the physical abilities to get“…….


but nope…..we get……”lost some weight, will make me floating in the perimeter seem less corporeal and harder to hit”….

 

[Hivemind]

Are we at the "Brooks Laich is healthier than he's been in years" stage of the off-season already?

 

[zappa4ever]

Mantha's (and Kuzy's) statements from this summer are rather mature and refreshing and show a willingness to improve and work harder

How can a player trying to be better and re-focus on improving be bad going forward? (emphasis on going forward, not easy layups on looking backwards)

Always revealing how some here will take it as a negative going backward instead of a positive going forward as if there's some impossible reality to retro-improve.

Dig up, stupid!