Speculation: Caps Roster General Discussion (Coaching/FAs/Cap/Lines etc) - 2023 Off-season

[NobodyBeatsTheWiz]

I’m over ownership.

They were gifted the best goal scorer of all time and it took them a 15 years to eek out a Championship.

They then let their Cup winning coach walk and replaced him with players coaches and oafish management.

You can add Kuznetsov and Carlson to the long list of mismanaged assets.

The Caps have been irrelevant for 4 years and will continue to be for some time to come.

I know fingers have been pointed at Dick Patrick on here, but if you look at the Wizards' operation during his tenure, it's clearly Ted.

The best we can hope is that the old bodies are revitalized this season and they either make a run or finally have good hockey assets to trade. The salary situation becomes.....capfriendly in two seasons, with ~$23M coming off the books, which should coincide with the ascent of our most talented prospects, and the (potentially) very tempting opportunity for FAs to be here for 895.

 

[Holtbyisms]

DeBrincat is the only player on the market that absolutely moves the needle, IMO. He instantly turns them into a playoff team (five to six more wins than last year), while having great chemistry with Strome.

Every single one of our young players and prospects, as well as picks, should be on the table, even Miro (though I would reaaaaaaally rather not move him).

Give them Fever, One of CMM/HL/Protas, next year’s 1st (with protections if needed), 2nd, and Chesley/Iorio.

LOL @ instant playoff team.

And LOL @ Two 1st and Three 2nds for DeBrincat, you're out of your mind. Mortgage the entire future for a chance to be a playoff bubble team? What does that accomplish?

 

[SherVaughn30]

A good deal of ppl need to get a grip on reality. The Caps are not rebuilding until OV breaks Gretzky's goal record. They are not gonna rebuild the team how you want. For the next 2 seasons it will be retooling. When OV/Backy call it quits, then the serious rebuild starts.

If you look at things without the Rock The Red Glasses, I completely understand what the Caps are doing. For crying out loud, the multitude of ppl want to get rid of Fever at age 23 is just dumb! SOME OF YOU ACT LIKE FEVER IS ALREADY INTO HIS 30'S!

Also, the new coaching staff hasn't even been fully completed yet and multiple ppl acting like this team will be absolute total sh*t! Let Carbery/Love breath a bit and actually implement their systems in place! You will have to give them till at least the first quarter of the season(and maybe more) to get an idea where this teams direction for this season might go. They could miss the playoffs again or they could get back in. Right now there are too many unknowns. There is thing called a process, but apparently some ppl wanna ignore that and expect the team to instantly be good with a snap of your fingers! Only one team wins the Cup each year! We just had 3 seasons of Lavi where we got worse every year because Lavi/McCarthy showed a lack of respect for the youth we have in this team. Carbery hasn't even coached an official game yet and some are already lighting torches and having the pitchforks ready to riot.

Stop being angry, calm the F down and chill for a bit!

 

[g00n]

A good deal of ppl need to get a grip on reality. The Caps are not rebuilding until OV breaks Gretzky's goal record. They are not gonna rebuild the team how you want. For the next 2 seasons it will be retooling. When OV/Backy call it quits, then the serious rebuild starts.

If you look at things without the Rock The Red Glasses, I completely understand what the Caps are doing. For crying out loud, the multitude of ppl want to get rid of Fever at age 23 is just dumb! SOME OF YOU ACT LIKE FEVER IS ALREADY INTO HIS 30'S!

Also, the new coaching staff hasn't even been fully completed yet and multiple ppl acting like this team will be absolute total sh*t! Let Carbery/Love breath a bit and actually implement their systems in place! You will have to give them till at least the first quarter of the season(and maybe more) to get an idea where this teams direction for this season might go. They could miss the playoffs again or they could get back in. Right now there are too many unknowns. There is thing called a process, but apparently some ppl wanna ignore that and expect the team to instantly be good with a snap of your fingers! Only one team wins the Cup each year! We just had 3 seasons of Lavi where we got worse every year because Lavi/McCarthy showed a lack of respect for the youth we have in this team. Carbery hasn't even coached an official game yet and some are already lighting torches and having the pitchforks ready to riot.

Stop being angry, calm the F down and chill for a bit!

Even people who understand all that are scratching their heads at these roster moves so far, bruh.

 

[SherVaughn30]

I know fingers have been pointed at Dick Patrick on here, but if you look at the Wizards' operation during his tenure, it's clearly Ted.

The best we can hope is that the old bodies are revitalized this season and they either make a run or finally have good hockey assets to trade. The salary situation becomes.....capfriendly in two seasons, with ~$23M coming off the books, which should coincide with the ascent of our most talented prospects, and the very tempting opportunity for FAs to be here for 895.

Patrick is an underlying problem. He aint gonna retire, so we just have to wait till nature forces his decision to leave this team completely alone!

 

[Jags]

LOL @ instant playoff team.

And LOL @ Two 1st and Three 2nds for DeBrincat, you're out of your mind. Mortgage the entire future for a chance to be a playoff bubble team? What does that accomplish?

Exactly. And I'd love to know where they think the $9 million is going to come from. Gotta give up even more assets to clear that much room. Zero chance.

 

[EroCaps]

A good deal of ppl need to get a grip on reality. The Caps are not rebuilding until OV breaks Gretzky's goal record. They are not gonna rebuild the team how you want. For the next 2 seasons it will be retooling. When OV/Backy call it quits, then the serious rebuild starts.

And this is stupid, and wrong.

Laviolette is one of the best coaches in NHL history.

If you think Spencer Carbery is going to stride in and make them a Cup contender you’re in for a rude awakening.

 

[HTFN]

Do we still blame Lavi for the vet-heavy roster and not playing the kids?

Or was it always part of the front office plan?

Weird victory lap, you know the saying about plans and first contact.

1.) maybe wait for ice time to actually happen
2.) just like you preached about trading up, there are two sides to each deal and no guarantee a reasonable ask was made
3.) so far I basically count a very cheap warm body D that they needed from somewhere either way, and a pretty low risk, high reward option that almost seems built exactly like the Backstrom plan if they don't do it stupid

like, they already said Pacioretty isn't going to be ready for the opener, they still get to do the kid thing, Pacioretty comes back at his own speed wherever he fits, tries to hit his bonuses, and depending on how the Caps are doing (likely not well) they see if he has deadline value.

or alternatively his ankle completely evaporates and nothing really changes

I'd have preferred somebody besides Edmundson but after looking at some of the contracts today him with retention is not much different than the going rate. This is one where I can see him just annoyingly clogging up the works if overplayed but we don't really know how that shakes out yet.

 

[SherVaughn30]

Even people who understand all that are scratching their heads at these roster moves so far, bruh.

You think the Caps are the only team who couldn't do what they actually wanted to do because of salary cap reasons? Part of the GM's job is to improvise, which I strongly believe BMac is doing. Plus, look at how many teams try to throw their young prospects into the fire at the NHL level, and development doesn't always go accordingly. Caps have a history with cooking their prospects a bit in the ECHL/AHL, before they get to the NHL and stay in the NHL.

 

[g00n]

Weird victory lap, you know the saying about plans and first contact.

1.) maybe wait for ice time to actually happen
2.) just like you preached about trading up, there are two sides to each deal and no guarantee a reasonable ask was made
3.) so far I basically count a very cheap warm body D that they needed from somewhere either way, and a pretty low risk, high reward option that almost seems built exactly like the Backstrom plan if they don't do it stupid

like, they already said Pacioretty isn't going to be ready for the opener, they still get to do the kid thing, Pacioretty comes back at his own speed wherever he fits, tries to hit his bonuses, and depending on how the Caps are doing (likely not well) they see if he has deadline value.

or alternatively his ankle completely evaporates and nothing really changes

I'd have preferred somebody besides Edmundson but after looking at some of the contracts today him with retention is not much different than the going rate. This is one where I can see him just annoyingly clogging up the works if overplayed but we don't really know how that shakes out yet.

This is a lot of words for "no it wasn't Lavi"

 

[HTFN]

This is a lot of words for "no it wasn't Lavi"

If you say so, nothing that happened today explained the decisions he made with his players last year and all that Matt Irwin

 

[LesDiablesRouges]

LOL @ instant playoff team.

And LOL @ Two 1st and Three 2nds for DeBrincat, you're out of your mind. Mortgage the entire future for a chance to be a playoff bubble team? What does that accomplish?

The Caps were six games out of the playoffs last year. DeBrincat would provide that boost. He is a young, talented stud and would immediately be a cornerstone piece going forward.

I would easily trade Fever, one of CMM/Lapi/Protas, and future pick(s)/Chesley/Iorio for 'Cat.

It's laughable to think that you wouldn't.

In terms of salary purposes, Kuzy and/or Mantha would be included in the deal as well, obviously.

 

[g00n]

You think the Caps are the only team who couldn't do what they actually wanted to do because of salary cap reasons? Part of the GM's job is to improvise, which I strongly believe BMac is doing. Plus, look at how many teams try to throw their young prospects into the fire at the NHL level, and development doesn't always go accordingly. Caps have a history with cooking their prospects a bit in the ECHL/AHL, before they get to the NHL and stay in the NHL.

Only the mediocre ones. The good ones have always been promoted immediately or withing a year or so.

 

[SherVaughn30]

And this is stupid, and wrong.

Laviolette is one of the best coaches in NHL history.

If you think Spencer Carbery is going to stride in and make them a Cup contender you’re in for a rude awakening.

Lavi is washed up. He won his Cup already taking advantage of the Clutch N Grab Era! If the Rangers go deep into the playoffs, it will be because of Shesterkin and not because of Lavi's coaching.

The Caps were six games out of the playoffs last year. DeBrincat would provide that boost. He is a young, talented stud and would immediately be a cornerstone piece going forward.

I would easily trade Fever, one of CMM/Lapi/Protas, and future pick(s)/Chesley/Iorio for 'Cat.

It's laughable to think that you wouldn't.

In terms of salary purposes, Kuzy and/or Mantha would be included in the deal as well, obviously.

That is how would Armchair GM things, but that is not how BMac or other GM's work.

 

[Jags]

And this is stupid, and wrong.

Laviolette is one of the best coaches in NHL history.

If you think Spencer Carbery is going to stride in and make them a Cup contender you’re in for a rude awakening.

And you think one of the best coaches in NHL history wanted to stay on a sinking ship?

Wouldn't you rather be in on the ground floor with a coach who could turn out to be great than to continue embracing what's clearly not working?

I'm really not sure what the freakouts are about. Mac added depth with upside for cheap. That's it. Two guys who either stay healthy and contribute things we really need or go on IR and cost us nothing. We're now covered for a couple injuries with likely spots in the lineup for the kids we want to see play along the way.

Were they sexy moves? Of course not. Low-cost, 1-year deals don't hurt us, the two picks we gave up really aren't a big deal, and both guys fill needs IF they can get back on the ice. You simply must factor in our IR situation this year to start seeing the forest through the trees.

Not seeing the point of being flabbergasted. This is pretty much how it was going to go.

 

[LesDiablesRouges]

Lavi is washed up. He won his Cup already taking advantage of the Clutch N Grab Era! If the Rangers go deep into the playoffs, it will be because of Shesterkin and not because of Lavi's coaching.


That is how would Armchair GM things, but that is not how BMac or other GM's work.

We are one of the three finalists for DeBrincat (according to Elliotte Friedman).

So, how is going after him Armchair GM Think?

 

[Holtbyisms]

The Caps were six games out of the playoffs last year. DeBrincat would provide that boost. He is a young, talented stud and would immediately be a cornerstone piece going forward.

I would easily trade Fever, one of CMM/Lapi/Protas, and future pick(s)/Chesley/Iorio for 'Cat.

It's laughable to think that you wouldn't.

In terms of salary purposes, Kuzy and/or Mantha would be included in the deal as well, obviously.

So now it's Kuzy, Mantha, two 1st, three 2nds for DeBrincat. Hell let's throw capital one arena in while we're at it.

 

[LesDiablesRouges]

So now it's Kuzy, Mantha, two 1st, three 2nds for DeBrincat. Hell let's throw capital one arena in while we're at it.

What do you think BMac is offering right now?

According to Elliotte Friedman, we are one of three finalists (along with Anaheim and the Isles).

You have to give to get, especially for a franchise-type player.

Kuzy and Mantha have negative value at this point.

My assumption is that they are offering a mixture of the young players I mentioned, along with future picks, and Kuzy/Mantha for salary purposes.

 

[HTFN]

And you think one of the best coaches in NHL history wanted to stay on a sinking ship?

Wouldn't you rather be in on the ground floor with a coach who could turn out to be great than to continue embracing what's clearly not working?

I'm really not sure what the freakouts are about. Mac added depth with upside for cheap. That's it. Two guys who either stay healthy and contribute things we really need or go on IR and cost us nothing. We're now covered for a couple injuries with likely spots in the lineup for the kids we want to see play along the way.

Were they sexy moves? Of course not. Low-cost, 1-year deals don't hurt us, the two picks we gave up really aren't a big deal, and both guys fill needs IF they can get back on the ice. You simply must factor in our IR situation this year to start seeing the forest through the trees.

Not seeing the point of being flabbergasted. This is pretty much how it was going to go.

I hadn't looked yet, just heard "back issues" but Edmundson has 24 and 61 GP in the last two seasons (and looks like he was pretty bad last year). He seems more like a 7/guy on IR than somebody who is going to significantly get in the way.

If a healthy offseason gets him back to where he was he's maybe a bottom pairing option but I don't think they're betting on a rebound. Obviously they'd like one from Pacioretty because they'd end up with a pretty good player out of it but based on his timeline and the uncertainty of the whole double Achilles thing... just doesn't seem like a huge problem

 

[Jags]

In terms of salary purposes, Kuzy and/or Mantha would be included in the deal as well, obviously.

Obviously? There is absolutely no chance they're eating those contracts in that deal, and it'd take more than either one to pay him.

And the package you're offering -- a young D with dodgy metrics, one of 3 prospects that haven't proven any NHL impact yet, and future picks or key prospects we desperately need -- is pretty easily topped by pretty much any team with the room to pay him, dontcha think?

 

[LesDiablesRouges]

Obviously? There is absolutely no chance they're eating those contracts in that deal, and it'd take more than either one to pay him.

And the package you're offering -- a young D with dodgy metrics, one of 3 prospects that haven't proven any NHL impact yet, and future picks or key prospects we desperately need -- is pretty easily topped by pretty much any team with the room to pay him, dontcha think?

Let's see.

I would wager a deal involving a solid young player (Fever), a high-end prospect (CMM/HL/AP), to go along with a couple of future picks would be a decent starting point for a deal.

Mantha is expiring after this season, so he's not that much of an issue going forward. Kuzy - different level of performance on a good day, but there are character/work ethic/attitude questions yet again and he has two years remaining. Washington would have to include one to make any deal work, salary-wise.

 

[RedRocking]

Lavi is washed up. He won his Cup already taking advantage of the Clutch N Grab Era! If the Rangers go deep into the playoffs, it will be because of Shesterkin and not because of Lavi's coaching.


That is how would Armchair GM things, but that is not how BMac or other GM's work.

I see Lavi getting the Rags to finish top 2 in the Metro. They’ll get his “bump” for a couple years and maximize the rest of Z-bad and Kreider’s prime.

Also, why are we re-litigating Lavi sh*t, and how did I get sucked in, lol.

 

[AlexModvechkin8]

I’m ok if they just mark Ovi down for 40 and simulate next season.

It’s going to be a tough two years if Backstrom, Kuznetsov, and Oshie are still on the team. There’s really no way around it.

 

[RedRocking]

I’m ok if they just mark Ovi down for 40 and simulate next season.

It’s going to be a tough two years if Backstrom, Kuznetsov, and Oshie are still on the team. There’s really no way around it.

Getting Ovi the record while getting top 10 picks might be best long term outcome anyways - the complete crash into the rebuild will have at least started a couple years earlier.

 

[AlexModvechkin8]

Getting Ovi the record while getting top 10 picks might be best long term outcome anyways - the complete crash into the rebuild will have at least started a couple years earlier.

I accepted a few months ago that the next two years are going to be rough. If they can surprise me and be a playoff contender then great, but I am expecting them to be kind of brutal until they get out from the contracts of Mantha, Kuznetsov, Oshie, and Backstrom.

It’s just not that complicated and I don’t see why people are getting worked up. They are paying Kuznetsov and Backstrom like they’re Jack Hughes and Brayden Point but instead of having two top six centers they’re getting Jay Beagle-in-Vancouver results.

The depth is fine, the blueline is fine, the goaltending is fine. The top six is a total mess and they don’t have room to make moves unless someone takes shitty players on expensive deals off their hands which no one is lining up to do. This is the price you pay for loyalty contracts, be thankful it’s only two years. It wouldn’t suck as bad if it wasn’t the twilight of Ovi’s career but since it is it makes it tougher to accept.