Speculation: Caps Roster General Discussion (Coaching/FAs/Cap/Lines etc) - 2023 Off-season

[SecretaryofDefense5]

Hey I respect that opinion (bolded). My depths of despair, pre-Caps winning the cup, still has effects on me. With AOs age I just would love to see him cross the T and dot the I on his career with that type of acomplishment.

Totally fair. Don’t get me wrong, I want him to get the record but I’d love to see the GOAT lift the cup again. I realize that won’t be on this team but he deserves it.

Evolving Hockey is projecting 2-3 years at somewhere in the $2.2 to $2.8 million AAV ballpark.

Yikes. $2.8 would be brutal for what he brings IMO.

Next 5-7 years are gonna be a rough ride then….

Oh tell me about it haha

 

[usiel]

Totally fair. Don’t get me wrong, I want him to get the record but I’d love to see the GOAT lift the cup again. I realize that won’t be on this team but he deserves it.


Yikes. $2.8 would be brutal for what he brings IMO.


Oh tell me about it haha

Bolded of course if it looks like the season they've caught the lightning in the bottle and making a run I would be fine trading prospects in that scenario. I think that is why the trade stuff on this date in the off season seems pretty not good.

 

[oooooooooohCanada]

I don’t have many more bits. It’s hard to come up with other scenarios to improve the team when the obvious one is just sitting there and no one is having it.

Toronto is going out and adding Ryan Reaves tomorrow. They’re looking like they might add Connor Brown. I highly suspect that they would not only straight up trade William Nylander for Tom Wilson, but that they would add a non-negligible asset to the trade as well. They’re clearly looking for toughness and grit. Negotiations with Nylander aren’t going great, and Treliving already has bad memories of Gaudreau leaving for nothing and Tkachuk leaving as well. There’s motivation from Toronto to make a deal.

Is this a trade you’d turn down? We’re not going to reach common ground if you’re turning down that trade. It works money-wise: Nylander only makes $1.8 million more than Wilson this year, Mantha is off the books next year which gives them room to extend Nylander. It works production-wise: Nylander has outscored Wilson every year of their careers. It works advanced-stat wise: Nylander is vastly more impactful than Wilson at driving goal differential. It works asset-wise: Washington would give up nothing in terms of futures. It works younger/faster-wise: Nylander is younger and faster. It works fit-wise: Nylander is an outstanding transition forward with the puck on his stick, a key weakness of the Capitals forward corps.

I’m not really interested in hearing that Capitals fans would be ok with moving Wilson on the right deal and then turning down that deal. It doesn’t square.

If you want another idea I guess trade Fehervary before the league finds out he’s not very good. Maybe they can eke value out there. But then again he’s only 23 and 7 years away from his prime so I guess you can’t trade him, especially after the stellar season he had this year.

I guess you could trade the 2024 first round pick and hope it’s enough for DeBrincat or someone of his ilk. I don’t know how the money works in that case unless you ship yet another asset out to move Mantha, for instance. I don’t particularly like the DeBrincat fit either, despite his skill level.

But it begins and ends with Wilson. Moving on from him now is strategically the best and most impactful move they can make. If you’re bored with me saying that, I guess be bored. You only have a few more days until he signs for like 8 x $7.5 million, so please bear with me until then.

The Leafs aren't moving Nylander+ for Tom Wilson man. Maybe Wilson a few years ago but definitely not coming off a major injury.

 

[g00n]

So right now we're just talking one guy in from off the ledge and another guy out of trading our best asset for flash.

Offseason HO!

 

[Langway]

A lot of Evolving Hockey's projections seem quite high at a time when there's not a lot of money in the system. Some teams are flush but a lot I'd wager end up being on the high end. Fehervary without arbitration rights I'd guess probably gets a 1-2 year deal while they continue to assess his upside. Something in the $1.7-2M range seems fair given that the counting stats haven't really been there. Too early to give him term given the pinch they're in this season.

On DeBrincat, what do they have to add to Mantha to make it happen? What sort of contract (AAV+term) is reasonable given his limitations? I'd struggle to go over $7M and more than four years probably. As much as they need goal-scoring that's a tricky commitment and projection going forward. He could really work alongside Strome given their history but they'd need to open it up. Unless center or defense were somehow also upgraded it's hard to figure that they'd more fundamentally improve if that's their big move. It would be an upgrade and perhaps the most feasible impact younger player to add. At the right price points it makes sense but he's a two-time 40 goal-scorer. He both wants to be paid like it and compete. Tough fit.

 

[RandyHolt]

I wonder how often GMs bet on the cap being raised to alleviate them of their huge bets gone wrong. Kicking the can down the road. I bet they are the biggest lobbyists to raise the cap, along with the players agents of course who use contract templates and have the easiest jobs on the planet.

I want to see Brian stop filling holes with vets. Play your kids - sink or swing with your drafts. Save every penny right now.

To lock in Willy for me.

Remember when McPhee strong armed Nylander and make his cap hit go away? I still have no idea how he pulled that off. One of his greatest stunts ever.

 

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[CapitalsCupReality]

I wonder how often GMs bet on the cap being raised to alleviate them of their huge bets gone wrong. Kicking the can down the road. I bet they are the biggest lobbyists to raise the cap, along with the players agents of course who use contract templates and have the easiest jobs on the planet.

I want to see Brian stop filling holes with vets. Play your kids - sink or swing with your drafts. Save every penny right now.

To lock in Willy for me.

Remember when McPhee strong armed Nylander and make his cap hit go away? I still have no idea how he pulled that off. One of his greatest stunts ever.

You don’t choose to sink by playing kids you don’t believe in. I think that’s where we’ve been for a while.

 

[Misery74]

A lot of Evolving Hockey's projections seem quite high at a time when there's not a lot of money in the system. Some teams are flush but a lot I'd wager end up being on the high end. Fehervary without arbitration rights I'd guess probably gets a 1-2 year deal while they continue to assess his upside. Something in the $1.7-2M range seems fair given that the counting stats haven't really been there. Too early to give him term given the pinch they're in this season.

On DeBrincat, what do they have to add to Mantha to make it happen? What sort of contract (AAV+term) is reasonable given his limitations? I'd struggle to go over $7M and more than four years probably. As much as they need goal-scoring that's a tricky commitment and projection going forward. He could really work alongside Strome given their history but they'd need to open it up. Unless center or defense were somehow also upgraded it's hard to figure that they'd more fundamentally improve if that's their big move. It would be an upgrade and perhaps the most feasible impact younger player to add. At the right price points it makes sense but he's a two-time 40 goal-scorer. He both wants to be paid like it and compete. Tough fit.M

This is ADB big contract based on his age. My guess it starts at $8m for 7 years.

My opinion is we need to deal with our own problems before we create new ones. I’d rather let Ottawa trade ADB somewhere else, then give them Mantha.

 

[SecretaryofDefense5]

You don’t choose to sink by playing kids to don’t believe in. I think that’s where we’ve been for a while.

Preach!

 

[Misery74]

I would rather kept our people cos any money then add these two.

I guess thank god Craig Smith signed somewhere else.

 

[Hivemind]

Ovechkin - Kuznetsov - Wilson
Milano - Strome - Mantha
Pacioretty* - Backstrom - Oshie (slowest line in NHL history)
Protas - Dowd - NAK
McMichael

*McM plays while Patches is still recovering from injury, and hopefully this coaching staff realizes he should continue to stay in the line-up afterwards

Fehervary - Carlson
TvR - Jensen
Sandin - Alexeyev
Edmundson

I really hate this D right now. The only way to cobble together something that looks capable of playing shutdown match-ups is to pull TvR back to his off-side and then put Alexeyev also on his off-side. They could risk a Sandin-Carlson pairing, but there's chances that it could just get its faced caved in defensively. And this is all praying they're not dumb enough to play Edmundson on an every night basis.

 

[SherVaughn30]

Ovechkin - Kuznetsov - Wilson
Milano - Strome - Mantha
Pacioretty* - Backstrom - Oshie (slowest line in NHL history)
Protas - Dowd - NAK
McMichael

*McM plays while Patches is still recovering from injury, and hopefully this coaching staff realizes he should continue to stay in the line-up afterwards

Fehervary - Carlson
TvR - Jensen
Sandin - Alexeyev
Edmundson

I really hate this D right now. The only way to cobble together something that looks capable of playing shutdown match-ups is to pull TvR back to his off-side and then put Alexeyev also on his off-side. They could risk a Sandin-Carlson pairing, but there's chances that it could just get its faced caved in defensively. And this is all praying they're not dumb enough to play Edmundson on an every night basis.

You don't trade picks to have Joel Edmundson to be your 7th D! Alexeyev will be in and out of the lineup, depending on Edmundson's health. Alexeyev still has to reprove himself with Assistant Coach Love.

 

[Hivemind]

You don't trade picks to have Joel Edmundson to be your 7th D! Alexeyev will be in and out of the lineup, depending on Edmundson's health. Alexeyev still has to reprove himself with Assistant Coach Love.

You shouldn't trade picks for Edmundson, period.

 

[SecretaryofDefense5]

Ovechkin - Kuznetsov - Wilson
Milano - Strome - Mantha
Pacioretty* - Backstrom - Oshie (slowest line in NHL history)
Protas - Dowd - NAK
McMichael

*McM plays while Patches is still recovering from injury, and hopefully this coaching staff realizes he should continue to stay in the line-up afterwards

Fehervary - Carlson
TvR - Jensen
Sandin - Alexeyev
Edmundson

I really hate this D right now. The only way to cobble together something that looks capable of playing shutdown match-ups is to pull TvR back to his off-side and then put Alexeyev also on his off-side. They could risk a Sandin-Carlson pairing, but there's chances that it could just get its faced caved in defensively. And this is all praying they're not dumb enough to play Edmundson on an every night basis.

Vomit.

 

[crazy8888]

Vomit.

Why? Osh will pull up lame on one end of the ice. Pacioretti will tear his archilies heel at the other end. Boom two spots
Open up. Bmac knows what hes doing no need to worry.

 

[LesDiablesRouges]

Ovechkin - Kuznetsov - Wilson
Milano - Strome - Mantha
Pacioretty* - Backstrom - Oshie (slowest line in NHL history)
Protas - Dowd - NAK
McMichael

*McM plays while Patches is still recovering from injury, and hopefully this coaching staff realizes he should continue to stay in the line-up afterwards

Fehervary - Carlson
TvR - Jensen
Sandin - Alexeyev
Edmundson

I really hate this D right now. The only way to cobble together something that looks capable of playing shutdown match-ups is to pull TvR back to his off-side and then put Alexeyev also on his off-side. They could risk a Sandin-Carlson pairing, but there's chances that it could just get its faced caved in defensively. And this is all praying they're not dumb enough to play Edmundson on an every night basis.

I cannot begin to explain how awful that lineup is on paper (slow, old, little talent/skill), to go along with another year of plugging in unnecessary veteran plugs we don’t need over giving our young prospects a chance.

At some point, we have to begin to point the finger at BMac.

This is horrid if they’re done (which I don’t think they are), but DeBrincat is the only real difference maker left on the market that could make this team better.

They’re far worse on paper this year than last year as it stands and one year older.

 

[koalabear9301]

Ovechkin - Kuznetsov - Wilson
Milano - Strome - Mantha
Pacioretty* - Backstrom - Oshie (slowest line in NHL history)
Protas - Dowd - NAK
McMichael

*McM plays while Patches is still recovering from injury, and hopefully this coaching staff realizes he should continue to stay in the line-up afterwards

Fehervary - Carlson
TvR - Jensen
Sandin - Alexeyev
Edmundson

I really hate this D right now. The only way to cobble together something that looks capable of playing shutdown match-ups is to pull TvR back to his off-side and then put Alexeyev also on his off-side. They could risk a Sandin-Carlson pairing, but there's chances that it could just get its faced caved in defensively. And this is all praying they're not dumb enough to play Edmundson on an every night basis.

Macklin Celebrini is ours

 

[NobodyBeatsTheWiz]

I cannot begin to explain how awful that lineup is on paper (slow, old, little talent/skill), to go along with another year of plugging in unnecessary veteran plugs we don’t need over giving our young prospects a chance.

At some point, we have to begin to point the finger at BMac.

This is horrid if they’re done (which I don’t think they are), but DeBrincat is the only real difference maker left on the market that could make this team better.

They’re far worse on paper this year than last year as it stands and one year older.

I'd be very, very surprised if the salary situation we're in (re: Backstrom and Oshie) was BMac's doing.

 

[SherVaughn30]

You shouldn't trade picks for Edmundson, period.

Disagree. Weaker draft in '24 so that 3rd has lower value and the 7th amounting to an NHL player, is a pipe dream.

 

[LesDiablesRouges]

DeBrincat is the only player on the market that absolutely moves the needle, IMO. He instantly turns them into a playoff team (five to six more wins than last year), while having great chemistry with Strome.

Every single one of our young players and prospects, as well as picks, should be on the table, even Miro (though I would reaaaaaaally rather not move him).

Give them Fever, One of CMM/HL/Protas, next year’s 1st (with protections if needed), 2nd, and Chesley/Iorio.

 

[McVechkin]

Disagree. Weaker draft in '24 so that 3rd has lower value and the 7th amounting to an NHL player, is a pipe dream.

Then hold them and package those picks for something of more value. What a waste.

 

[Hivemind]

Disagree. Weaker draft in '24 so that 3rd has lower value and the 7th amounting to an NHL player, is a pipe dream.

Joel Edmundson being a useful NHLer in 2023-24 is a pipe dream

 

[EroCaps]

I’m over ownership.

They were gifted the best goal scorer of all time and it took them a 15 years to eek out a Championship.

They then let their Cup winning coach walk and replaced him with players coaches and oafish management.

You can add Kuznetsov and Carlson to the long list of mismanaged assets.

The Caps have been irrelevant for 4 years and will continue to be for some time to come.

 

[g00n]

Do we still blame Lavi for the vet-heavy roster and not playing the kids?

Or was it always part of the front office plan?