Speculation: Caps Roster General Discussion (Coaching/FAs/Cap/Lines etc) - 2023 Off-season

[BiPolar Caps]

You know that right now there's a bunch of teams wishing that the NHL had expanded once again and that there would be an expansion draft this year.

 

[Cappy76]

I know he's not at all a Stevie Y player but I wonder if Detroit could possibly take on a Kuzy for say Zadina with some sweeteners coming from us.

 

[NobodyBeatsTheWiz]

I know people are out on Kuzy, and it's understandable, but dude hasn't lost any ability. He just needs to be mentally re-engaged. A new coaching staff and philosophy may do that. If they can move Mantha and get some sort of salary relief when Backstrom can't play, I think I'd actually be against moving Kuzy, given the return we'd likely get.

 

[Hivemind]

You know that right now there's a bunch of teams wishing that the NHL had expanded once again and that there would be an expansion draft this year.

Or a post-lockout compliance buyout

 

[Cappy76]

I know people are out on Kuzy, and it's understandable, but dude hasn't lost any ability. He just needs to be mentally re-engaged. A new coaching staff and philosophy may do that. If they can move Mantha and get some sort of salary relief when Backstrom can't play, I think I'd actually be against moving Kuzy, given the return we'd likely get.

I'm with you there, in my eyes this offseason we need to do something with one of those 3 (kuzy, mantha, backstrom). I don't care what shape Backstrom is in I don't want him forced out of this org so that would leave Mantha and then Kuzy.

 

[SecretaryofDefense5]

I know people are out on Kuzy, and it's understandable, but dude hasn't lost any ability. He just needs to be mentally re-engaged. A new coaching staff and philosophy may do that. If they can move Mantha and get some sort of salary relief when Backstrom can't play, I think I'd actually be against moving Kuzy, given the return we'd likely get.

I am off team Kuzy. This has happened multiple times now. He should've been traded when he rebounded the year before because everyone knew he would have another down year. I'm tired of hearing how the coaching staff didn't do this or that. He had plenty of chances to play with Ovi last year and did absolutely nothing with the opportunity. Strome did. A guy who makes 7.5 AAV needs to figure his own sh*t out, he is a professional. His lack of give a damn towards the end of last season was embarrassing and not what you want to see out of a pro, or one of your highest paid players. Trade him, even if it isn't for great value, recoup the cap space.

I realize my opinion might not be popular but the dude has burned his bridges IMO.

His lack of effort for the last 2- 3 months was absolutely embarrassing.

Evgeny Kuznetsov: 2022-23 season review

Oh boy. The Evgeny Kuznetsov review. Strap in. By the Numbers 81 games played 18.1 time on ice per game 12 goals…

russianmachineneverbreaks.com

 

[Roric]

Lol what assets do we have to trade for a 27yo, 40 goal scoring Nylander? Tom Wilson? He ain't going anywhere, if so many people believe Macs the straight shooter they say he is. He killed that chance. A bunch of first rounders? Idiotic for a cap strapped likely lottery team. No way would Mac do that. McMichael, Lappy, Iorio and Chelsey don't move the needle enough for a player like Nylander while the leafs are in win now mode. I can't imagine we're moving our new future stars from the past two drafts either. Miro, Leonard and Cristall are the only future we've got. You can't squeeze blood from a stone. The retool was desired but the ability to do it has been wildly exaggerated.

If Mac pulls something crazy off here in the next couple months I'll be the first to admit I was wrong...just not seeing it.

Nylander has 1 year left on his contract, with no clear indication that he plans to re-sign in toronto. As of this moment hes a 1 year rental. Guys like that dont command as much in the trade market. Toronto could be thinking lets try to get something for this guy before he walks for nothing next summer and they throw a ton of money at matthews.

With guys coming off the books for us I think we’d have the assets to re-sign him but right now it’s not like we’d be trying to trade for a 27yo 40 goal scorer with 5 years left on a good contract

 

[Holtbyisms]

Nylander has 1 year left on his contract, with no clear indication that he plans to re-sign in toronto. As of this moment hes a 1 year rental. Guys like that dont command as much in the trade market. Toronto could be thinking lets try to get something for this guy before he walks for nothing next summer and they throw a ton of money at matthews.

With guys coming off the books for us I think we’d have the assets to re-sign him but right now it’s not like we’d be trying to trade for a 27yo 40 goal scorer with 5 years left on a good contract

I disagree that he would not command a kings ransom because he's only got a year left. In fact I think that might make him more expensive cause you get a stud on a one year deal that's cap friendly in comparison to the potentially 10M+ he's going to get next contract. But, that said, what's a realistic swap you think that could land him with our current assets?

 

[Jags]

I think the best way to motivate Kuznetsov at this point is to say to him, "Have a great season and we'll trade you to a contender at the deadline. Play lights out and someone will want you and we'll take the best deal we can get. You get a Cup run, maybe two if they keep you around, and maybe a buyout and total freedom if they don't."

I don't think he returns to form and stays here. He clearly wants out. So let the out motivate him. "You want out? Earn it."

 

[IafrateOvie34]

I think the best way to motivate Kuznetsov at this point is to say to him, "Have a great season and we'll trade you to a contender at the deadline. Play lights out and someone will want you and we'll take the best deal we can get. You get a Cup run, maybe two if they keep you around, and maybe a buyout and total freedom if they don't."

I don't think he returns to form and stays here. He clearly wants out. So let the out motivate him. "You want out? Earn it."

At this point, I've had enough of him. I do understand what you're saying. He went from potential franchise star, especially from a playoff point of view to the ultimate let down. He flat out quit on the team and doesn't appear to care. That said, his timely goals like with Game 7 Caps/Isles, Game 6 OT Caps/Pen, etc will always be part of Cap's memory. Enough is enough though. Get something for him while you can. The last two years I've been telling myself give Kuzy another chance or put hope he'll rebound or at least get some trade value. I just don't see him at this point giving a damn.

 

[Kalopsia]

Nylander has 1 year left on his contract, with no clear indication that he plans to re-sign in toronto. As of this moment hes a 1 year rental. Guys like that dont command as much in the trade market. Toronto could be thinking lets try to get something for this guy before he walks for nothing next summer and they throw a ton of money at matthews.

With guys coming off the books for us I think we’d have the assets to re-sign him but right now it’s not like we’d be trying to trade for a 27yo 40 goal scorer with 5 years left on a good contract

Having one year left might make him cheaper, but I'd be terrified to pay a high price for him only yo have him walk next summer. This isn't exactly a franchise headed in a promising direction and he doesn't have any connection to the team aside from Sandin, so why wouldn't he just ignore their offers and take his first crack at the open market? My guess is they'd have to give him a crazy amount of money to convince him to pass that up.

 

[IafrateOvie34]

I am off team Kuzy. This has happened multiple times now. He should've been traded when he rebounded the year before because everyone knew he would have another down year. I'm tired of hearing how the coaching staff didn't do this or that. He had plenty of chances to play with Ovi last year and did absolutely nothing with the opportunity. Strome did. A guy who makes 7.5 AAV needs to figure his own sh*t out, he is a professional. His lack of give a damn towards the end of last season was embarrassing and not what you want to see out of a pro, or one of your highest paid players. Trade him, even if it isn't for great value, recoup the cap space.

I realize my opinion might not be popular but the dude has burned his bridges IMO.

His lack of effort for the last 2- 3 months was absolutely embarrassing.

Evgeny Kuznetsov: 2022-23 season review

Oh boy. The Evgeny Kuznetsov review. Strap in. By the Numbers 81 games played 18.1 time on ice per game 12 goals…

russianmachineneverbreaks.com

This. I think back to the birdy celebration and motivation to make folks happy to the debacle he is now.

 

[kicksavedave]

Two things: I'm specuialting but I feel strongly, if Kuzy wants out, its out from under Lavi, which he got, not out from DC in general. I'd imagine no one is more stoked to have SC than Kuzya is.

Second, if we are going to move anyone out its almost certainly going to be a three team deal with cap space being traded for picks and players shuffling along with it. We've seen it happen, I think its the only way we can bring in anyone else here.

 

[hockeykicker]

 

[twabby]

Having one year left might make him cheaper, but I'd be terrified to pay a high price for him only yo have him walk next summer. This isn't exactly a franchise headed in a promising direction and he doesn't have any connection to the team aside from Sandin, so why wouldn't he just ignore their offers and take his first crack at the open market? My guess is they'd have to give him a crazy amount of money to convince him to pass that up.

Carbery is a connection as well. Provided they are on good terms that’s a strong link the Capitals could leverage.

They pay him what he’s asking for now. There’s clearly a number in mind, probably around $10 million or so. Give it to him and clear the dead weight on the roster. At worst Mantha waits until next year.

 

[The Instigator]

Why did I think Borgstrom already signed in Finland? Or Sweden?

 

[hockeykicker]

Why did I think Borgstrom already signed in Finland? Or Sweden?

he did, but he has an nhl opt out so caps kept his rights

 

[RedRocking]

Carbery is a connection as well. Provided they are on good terms that’s a strong link the Capitals could leverage.

They pay him what he’s asking for now. There’s clearly a number in mind, probably around $10 million or so. Give it to him and clear the dead weight on the roster. At worst Mantha waits until next year.

The problem is what on earth would TOR want from us (besides TW)? They’re a win now team - they would need a hockey trade of actual roster players. Sure, picks could be thrown in that they could leverage at the TDL. But, I legit have no clue who we could offer that would even be the start of a pkg - Jensen? Oshie (to help show how to win in the POs), Protas/Dowd to help their bottom 6 (which Treliving seems intent on doing). I don’t think they’d care about Fever, with their LDs. Some angle I’m not seeing here?

DeBrincat I could maybe see as OTT might be more flexible, open to futures, prospects. Plus they know they’re losing him. Not as good as WN, but would at least provide another scoring threat to the top 6, and is a couple years younger.

 

[Carlzner]

Interested

 

[The Instigator]

he did, but he has an nhl opt out so caps kept his rights

Fun fact. Thanks!

 

[twabby]

The problem is what on earth would TOR want from us (besides TW)? They’re a win now team - they would need a hockey trade of actual roster players. Sure, picks could be thrown in that they could leverage at the TDL. But, I legit have no clue who we could offer that would even be the start of a pkg - Jensen? Oshie (to help show how to win in the POs), Protas/Dowd to help their bottom 6 (which Treliving seems intent on doing). I don’t think they’d care about Fever, with their LDs. Some angle I’m not seeing here?

DeBrincat I could maybe see as OTT might be more flexible, open to futures, prospects. Plus they know they’re losing him. Not as good as WN, but would at least provide another scoring threat to the top 6, and is a couple years younger.

I mean yeah…you answered your own question. They give up Nylander+ for Wilson.

Yes I realize this will not happen because Wilson isn’t going anywhere. No I don’t care because I am playing fantasy GM not real GM.

 

[Holtbyisms]

 

[Jags]

The problem is what on earth would TOR want from us (besides TW)? They’re a win now team - they would need a hockey trade of actual roster players. Sure, picks could be thrown in that they could leverage at the TDL. But, I legit have no clue who we could offer that would even be the start of a pkg - Jensen? Oshie (to help show how to win in the POs), Protas/Dowd to help their bottom 6 (which Treliving seems intent on doing). I don’t think they’d care about Fever, with their LDs. Some angle I’m not seeing here?

DeBrincat I could maybe see as OTT might be more flexible, open to futures, prospects. Plus they know they’re losing him. Not as good as WN, but would at least provide another scoring threat to the top 6, and is a couple years younger.

Exactly. We don't have the assets or cap space for either guy. These are pipe dreams, especially given the deals we've seen lately that make it look pretty impossible to get out from under Kuzy or Mantha without giving up big stuff.

And in response to the rebuttal I know is coming...

I think Mac has been pretty clear.

 

[RedRocking]

I mean yeah…you answered your own question. They give up Nylander+ for Wilson.

Yes I realize this will not happen because Wilson isn’t going anywhere. No I don’t care because I am playing fantasy GM not real GM.

So your “#1 trade idea” is DOA, and is really just another way to troll Tom Wilson. Got it.

Good stuff

 

[twabby]

So your “#1 trade idea” is DOA, and is really just another way to troll Tom Wilson. Got it.

Good stuff

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