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Based on GMBM's comments they are already more than aware of it but you can't force a guy who wants to play to LTIR.
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Absolutely agree with you. I think they owe him a chance to come back to camp and give it a go but hopefully if he struggles he reconsiders whether he should keep playing.
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Precisely. It's on him now. He needs to decide if he keeps on playing. If he does, he needs to show the level he's capable of playing. Management is really at his mercy and the thing left for them to decide is if he's good enough to be in the line-up and at what role.
I don't see a buy-out with him. Or a trade. He'll keep on playing as long as he wants and if he wants to quit they'll find a way to make it happen. I hope it doesn't turn ugly along the way.
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A player can't choose LTIR. If he's medically cleared to play he's not LTIR material. Sure, Nick could have a setback but it has to be real enough for the doctors to consider him unfit to play.
That leaves retirement which means leaving a lot of money on the table. Can't see Backs making that choice.
That leaves retirement which means leaving a lot of money on the table. Can't see Backs making that choice.
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Going by the book, sure.
Then again Marian Hossa suddenly got allergic to his hockey gear.
Backstrom would likely have no problem going to LTIRetirement because he's already doing something nobody has done for more than 30 games after the same surgery. I would say even coming back from that injury to play is most likely going against his doctors recommendation.
But there is more to it than fans see. I'm sure he loves playing and playing in the NHL is an unique experience. It's not easy to just give up on your dream even if you've done it for a while already.
They definitely can. All he has to do is say I'm sore, it's causing pain after every game and that'll be it. No doctor in the world would tell him "you're fine get out there and play!" Do I think he'll do that? Absolutely not. Nick clearly has a high pain tolerance having played hurt for so long already. I expect him to ride it out on the third line with PP time long enough for Ovi to get the record then retire the next season. Going to suck for our cap hit but if he can be a little better with a full off-season to train and play defensively responsible how much worse could he be than Eller last season?
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So…..to sum up…..all he has to do is commit insurance fraud….lol.
This is a lot like what Washington looked like when they won the Cup. They didn’t have the lottery pedigree but the roster was full of former first round picks, both their own (Ovi, Nick, Kuz, Carlson, Bura, Vrana, Wilson) and castoffs (Connolly, Eller, Oshie, Orpik, Niskanen). I think their entire top nine and four of their six defensemen on the night they won the Cup were former first round picks.
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I think you’d be surprised how easy it would be for Backstrom to qualify for LTIR.
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If NB is having chronic pain that keeps him from playing they're going to do advanced imaging. If those scans show no abnormalities and he keeps saying he's in too much pain to play that's going to raise red flags if he gets put on LTIR and the league or insurance decide to investigate, which they will, no matter what he claims.
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Maybe Nick has some actual integrity?
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Stop it. No one was actually saying commit fraud. No player who has had that surgery has been able to continue their career. Let’s wait and see how things shake out and whether he continues to play with zero pain. He’d be the first to do so if that ends up being the case.
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The insurer is gonna want proof before paying out $9M a year to a guy who's claiming he can't do the job.
And I suddenly became allergic to avocado in my 20s and strawberries in my 30s despite eating both all my life without an issue. it happens.
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I do think about Hossa everytime this is discussed lol
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I’ve seen several people suggest he should lie and walk away.
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Halpern's interview said to have already happened so they could reach a decision sooner than later. Washington believed to be the ones to beat for Carbery and he's thought to remain the favorite. I guess if there's anything that could hold things up it could be wanting to wait for Hershey's season to end to interview Nelson. But they could schedule that for an off day so as not to substantially delay matters. They may not want to create any distraction but waiting until a week or two before the draft potentially is a while to hold things up.
That’s not it. If he can’t play up to his standards, then perhaps he’s too injured to be the player he was. He may want to LTIR it.
It’s really about what type of player he is going into camp. He should have an idea how much better/same/worse he’s done over the summer.
As will GMBM, Patrick, Leonsis.
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At his age, what exactly are “his standards”? I think him being back playing and pain free at his age is his bar…..
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Sorry to interrupt, but Friedman @ 36:00 into today's 32T says people consider Caps "the team to beat for Carberry."
Back to your discussion.
Ed - my snark is not needed here.
Back to your discussion.
Ed - my snark is not needed here.
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I think Backstrom has earned the right to give it a go and I think they’ll give him every opportunity to earn a spot as high in the lineup as possible. It’s not like they can realistically move him. No one is taking that contract for less than a king’s ransom and a buyout would save very little against the cap.
I think the team needs to have a contingency plan if Backstrom is ineffective. It could just be as simple as plugging in McMichael or Protas into the 3C spot. But they need to have a quick trigger on changing things up if Backstrom falters. They can’t give him 40 games to find his form given that the team is going to struggle to make the postseason even if Backstrom does return to form. If after like 10-20 games he’s looking like the same version as last season I think we can pretty quickly conclude that this is who he will be going forward and that is not an NHL level player.
I think the team needs to have a contingency plan if Backstrom is ineffective. It could just be as simple as plugging in McMichael or Protas into the 3C spot. But they need to have a quick trigger on changing things up if Backstrom falters. They can’t give him 40 games to find his form given that the team is going to struggle to make the postseason even if Backstrom does return to form. If after like 10-20 games he’s looking like the same version as last season I think we can pretty quickly conclude that this is who he will be going forward and that is not an NHL level player.
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normally I would have some reservations about going with a rookie HC.. but I feel oddly good about being the front runners for carberry
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I don't think I've seen one negative comment about him here, so if he's hired and crashes and burns at some point nobody will be able to atodaso
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