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Whoever's job it is must be getting pretty nervous though, that's some nice pro Lavi fluff completely twisting what actually transpired this season.

Who did Fehervary "bump" exactly? There was literally no other NHL level LD on the roster other than Orlov after they traded Dillon and Lavi still shoehorned Irwin and TVR into those roles as much as he could. Not playing Fehervary with what GMBM gave him to work with would have been Adam Oates level mismanagement and a death knell for his future career as HC. This is like saying "well Lavi played Vanecek and Samsonov last 2 seasons" as proof that he'll start young goalies over veteran ones



right, you don't have to stan for him anymore

Seems like we're blaming Lavi for playing who the GM expected him to play.

He must really suck. Hasn't won anything. Shitty career.

I'm sure you and the others here who talk endless shit about him could do much better day to day.

Have you submitted your application?
 

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Seems like we're blaming Lavi for playing who the GM expected him to play.

He must really suck. Hasn't won anything. Shitty career.

I'm sure you and the others here who talk endless shit about him could do much better day to day.

Have you submitted your application?

Ahahahaha took all of one post to revert to "if they knew about the game they'd be in it", very nice

Where do I submit my application btw? I can promise Ted the same caliber of success Lavi had with this team for only 2 million dollars. Imagine the savings
 

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Seems like we're blaming Lavi for playing who the GM expected him to play.

He must really suck. Hasn't won anything. Shitty career.

I'm sure you and the others here who talk endless shit about him could do much better day to day.

Have you submitted your application?
Awful take. You went from "I'm not going to stan Lavi" to doing exactly that right away. Just look at the season, it's not hard to wrap your head around how a different approach might have done better.

You think GMBM has been going "yes, force feed me more McIlrath and Irwin, I need all the Hagelin I can get, bench Strome for me daddy"?
 

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Awful take. You went from "I'm not going to stan Lavi" to doing exactly that right away. Just look at the season, it's not hard to wrap your head around how a different approach might have done better.

You think GMBM has been going "yes, force feed me more McIlrath and Irwin, I need all the Hagelin I can get, bench Strome for me daddy"?
He probably insisted on getting Craig Smith back from the Bruins as well with the intention to play him as much as possible, no way that could have been a necessary cap dump part of the trade
 
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Ahahahaha took all of one post to revert to "if they knew about the game they'd be in it", very nice

Where do I submit my application btw? I can promise Ted the same caliber of success Lavi had with this team for only 2 million dollars. Imagine the savings

Yeah I think most fans like you are just shit talking snipes taking shots at people who actually do things at a high level for a living.

So go ahead and talk all the shit you want. It's just hater nonsense.

Did Lavi make mistakes? Sure. Is he the demon so many here keep saying? Obviously not.

If you can't handle some blowback then don't post.
 

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Yeah I think most fans like you are just shit talking snipes taking shots at people who actually do things at a high level for a living.

So go ahead and talk all the shit you want. It's just hater nonsense.

Did Lavi make mistakes? Sure. Is he the demon so many here keep saying? Obviously not.

If you can't handle some blowback then don't post.

You're the one hissing like an angry fan girl at anyone taking an issue with anything St. Peter did

So what would have been worse if I had Laviolette's job for the last 2 years? Fewer playoff wins? Higher draft picks to work with? Matt Irwin's legacy in jeopardy? Come on, spill it, don't be shy
 

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Awful take. You went from "I'm not going to stan Lavi" to doing exactly that right away. Just look at the season, it's not hard to wrap your head around how a different approach might have done better.

You think GMBM has been going "yes, force feed me more McIlrath and Irwin, I need all the Hagelin I can get, bench Strome for me daddy"?

I said it's not my job to stan for Lavi. If you think trying to set the record straight is hugging his nuts that's not my problem.

Strome was benched for what, one game while they tried to work Backstrom back into the lines or something? Please.

The fact that some fans think "a different approach" would've made a difference is what tells me we're not dealing with future HOF coaching candidates.

Injuries, shitty play from guys like Kuzy, and young guys like CMM not taking the next step to replace guys like Kuzy made sure of that. Lavi probably got about as much out of this season as any coach could've.

But he's gone now, and people are still whining about it. I'm just sick of it.

You're the one hissing like an angry fan girl at anyone taking an issue with anything St. Peter did

So what would have been worse if I had Laviolette's job for the last 2 years? Fewer playoff wins? Higher draft picks to work with? Matt Irwin's legacy in jeopardy? Come on, spill it, don't be shy

Awesome post. High quality.

Here let me answer a hypothetical that can't be answered, as though some rando fan is going to outcoach a HOF coach whose won the most games of any American born coach in history.

I don't need to hiss about that. It's so f***ing stupid on its face it's obvious.
 

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Awesome post. High quality.

Here let me answer a hypothetical that can't be answered, as though some rando fan is going to outcoach a HOF coach whose won the most games of any American born coach in history.

I don't need to hiss about that. It's so f***ing stupid on its face it's obvious.

Just do your best, I'm sure you have it in you. Which aspects of the performance of the team/org in the last 3 seasons would I have been lapped by the greatest born american coach of all time ever? I even gave you a couple to brainstorm
 

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Oh and what started all of this was some blog shit from RMNB, from a guy who got the job based on his commenting on their articles. It's basically a fan hot take.

Just do your best, I'm sure you have it in you. Which aspects of the performance of the team/org in the last 3 seasons would I have been lapped by the greatest born american coach of all time ever? I even gave you a couple to brainstorm

I think every aspect of the team would've been far worse with you or anyone else on this forum or RMNB coaching the team. It's painfully obvious and shouldn't even need to be said.

Anyone who disagrees is living in a bubble of Dunning-Kruger delusion.
 

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I said it's not my job to stan for Lavi. If you think trying to set the record straight is hugging his nuts that's not my problem.

Strome was benched for what, one game while they tried to work Backstrom back into the lines or something? Please.

The fact that some fans think "a different approach" would've made a difference is what tells me we're not dealing with future HOF coaching candidates.

Injuries, shitty play from guys like Kuzy, and young guys like CMM not taking the next step to replace guys like Kuzy made sure of that. Lavi probably got about as much out of this season as any coach could've.


But he's gone now, and people are still whining about it. I'm just sick of it.



Awesome post. High quality.

Here let me answer a hypothetical that can't be answered, as though some rando fan is going to outcoach a HOF coach whose won the most games of any American born coach in history.

I don't need to hiss about that. It's so f***ing stupid on its face it's obvious.
You seriously believe that even after it seems pretty clear that he out-coached himself from January on? I don't buy it, and you have yet to bring anything but rhetoric to the table.
 

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I think every aspect of the team would've been far worse with you or anyone else on this forum or RMNB coaching the team. It's painfully obvious and shouldn't even need to be said.

Anyone who disagrees is living in a bubble of Dunning-Kruger delusion.

Sure, just name one. Fewer playoff series wins? Lesser developmental progress from all our younger players? Kuzy not being the superstar he has been? Mantha not being a worthy successor to Martin Erat? No no mans land draft picks? All of the above?

To be fair, my coaching would pretty much consist of vaping on the bench and not starting lineups with Matt Irwin and Craig Smith and half dead Nic Dowd in them while letting the assistants do the rest
 

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Sure, just name one. Fewer playoff series wins? Lesser developmental progress from all our younger players? Kuzy not being the superstar he has been? Mantha not being a worthy successor to Martin Erat? No no mans land draft picks? All of the above?

Are you being serious right now? LOL

The level of unfounded overconfidence in some fans is just mind-blowing.

Maybe a super rich guy will buy a team one day and let some loudmouth rando fan coach it for a year, just to pull off this experiment. Would be like this:


To answer your silly question I think the team would probably be last in the league, even more injured due to mismanagement, would likely lose some key staff, would suffer financially from lost revenue, and would have several players demanding trades. At a minimum.

But the fantasy is "I would play the correct lines every time, and that would win the Cup or at least improve the team". :laugh:

As if that's all there is to it.
 

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Hard to be encouraged about Oshie’s health going forward.

I get that he probably feels pretty good right now after getting his nerves in his back blasted away, but ablation is typically a temporary pain relief procedure and it certainly does nothing to address the underlying issue.

I think it would be prudent for GMBM to bank on another 40-60 game season from Oshie and proceed from there. If they feel like that’s something they’re willing to live with then ok. But I think it’d be foolish to enter next season with the expectation that Oshie will be playing 70+ games.
 

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Lol watching midwits try to navigate their way around the most basic questioning of their mindless worship of authority is really something.

For reference, I flat out said my "coaching" would consist of

"To be fair, my coaching would pretty much consist of vaping on the bench and not starting lineups with Matt Irwin and Craig Smith and half dead Nic Dowd in them while letting the assistants do the rest"

From this you somehow manage to get

To answer your silly question I think the team would probably be last in the league,

So we'd get one of Bedard, Michkov or Fantilli? Tragic

even more injured due to mismanagement,

Which completely aligns with my stated decision of not riding injured players as much as I can.


would likely lose some key staff


Yes, we'd have lost Blaine Forsythe and other assistants from the organization for sure, probably the biggest difference between what actually transpired. Especially if I just let them do whatever they want, assistant coaches really hate that

would suffer financially from lost revenue

would most of this lost revenue come from the lower playoff success or me not making 5 million dollars like Lavi was? Perhaps not wanting pricy vets everywhere and playing ELC or bridge level contract young players wherever possible?


would have several players demanding trades

Like which ones, hypothetically? Burakovsky, Stephenson, Siegenthaler, Sprong? Maybe Samsonov or Vanecek? Maybe I'd manage to even piss of Alexeyev in his short time with the org enough that someone like Orlov might take note. Perhaps Kuznetsov would be on the outs too, allegedly asking for trades and whatnot? Or someone irreplaceable like Mantha? Would be especially tragic if we lost honest long term soldiers like Orlov, Eller or Hathaway, or can you imagine if Backstrom decided to retire or something instead of putting up with my stupidity smh. Gah, I'd be a plague on this organeyezation, I can see it now.

But the fantasy is "I would play the correct lines every time, and that would win the Cup or at least improve the team". :laugh:

You should probably work on your reading comprehension instead of scouring the dictionary for big words like Dunning Kruger once a day tbh. I said I'd be a half assed coach lol, that's the point
As if that's all there is to it.

Just curious what 5 million dollars a year gets you vs a guy off the street in your opinion. Would it also come with you valiantly defending me before the angry mobs who don't get it (since they're not in the game duh) as well?
 
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Ok you're just shitposting.

Thanks for a few minutes of cheap entertainment.
 

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Ok you're just shitposting.

Thanks for a few minutes of cheap entertainment.

Stunning rebuttal as always. Just wanted to see if your infatuation with Lavi comes from a single thing that transpired with him as the coach of the Washington Capitals or just muh organeyezation muh pedigree. Now that I have my answer no point in continuing further
 
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Its funny, BMacs entire tenure is very nicely encapsulated by the Nathan Walker saga. Invite him to camp, then instead of signing him trade draft picks to move up to draft him. Then a few years later he signs Lundqvist to be a veteran goalie mentor to Samsonov. Lundqvist's heart gives out, they roll with Sammy/Vanecek tandem to underwhelming results while Craig Anderson warms the bench the entire year as a 3rd stringer despite still being an NHL goalie for several years after. Seattle comes along and takes Vanecek, allowing them to keep Jensen and trade off Dillon for 2 2nds, a pretty nice gift from Seattle bungling the expansion draft. Instead of going back to the original strategy of having a cheap veteran with Samsonov they... trade a 2nd round pick from a team that has been burning through picks at the deadline for many years for Vanecek and roll the same tandem that they rolled by accident to underwhelming results the prior season... again. Only to give up Vanecek for effectively nothing just a year later, as well as managing to get nothing for Samsonov and his very palatable RFA rights at 2.2M QO, for him to go on and be a top 10 goalie that same year making 2 million dollars for a different team. Its just constant nonstop dripping inefficiency at every level that they could get away with while carried by the single most reliable year to year star player of the salary cap era and the nice core that was inherited around him but that ultimately adds up in a league where every team is trying to get ahead by any sliver they can. You have the same inefficiency at the draft (bottom of the league results wise since BMac took over while the whole core minus Oshie was drafted with high picks by the preceding GM), attempts at cost efficient signings (other teams find a Panarin, Kuzmenko, Zub or Verhaeghe or Forsling, we can't get a single one of the Russians that come in and dominate the league every other year despite being the Russian mafia of the NHL lol, but there's always a Brett Connolly Conor Sheary or Sonny Milano consolation prize), letting young players go just before they break out while overpaying to sign or trade for mediocre vets who have a "track record" in the NHL. It worked when the team's biggest need is a 3C, supporting defenseman or role player but when you're competing against 32 teams and your always reliable inherited star players start to wane and there's nothing behind them you get... this
 
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Its funny, BMacs entire tenure is very nicely encapsulated by the Nathan Walker saga. Invite him to camp, then instead of signing him trade draft picks to move up to draft him. Then a few years later he signs Lundqvist to be a veteran goalie mentor to Samsonov. Lundqvist's heart gives out, they roll with Sammy/Vanecek tandem to underwhelming results while Craig Anderson warms the bench the entire year as a 3rd stringer despite still being an NHL goalie for several years after. Seattle comes along and takes Vanecek, allowing them to keep Jensen and trade off Dillon for 2 2nds, a pretty nice gift from Seattle bungling the expansion draft. Instead of going back to the original strategy of having a cheap veteran with Samsonov they... trade a 2nd round pick from a team that has been burning through picks at the deadline for many years for Vanecek and roll the same tandem that they rolled by accident to underwhelming results the prior season... again. Only to give up Vanecek for effectively nothing just a year later, as well as managing to get nothing for Samsonov and his very palatable RFA rights at 2.2M QO, for him to go on and be a top 10 goalie that same year making 2 million dollars for a different team. Its just constant nonstop dripping inefficiency at every level that they could get away with while carried by the single most reliable year to year star player of the salary cap era and the nice core that was inherited around him but that ultimately adds up in a league where every team is trying to get ahead by any sliver they can. You have the same inefficiency at the draft (bottom of the league results wise since BMac took over while the whole core minus Oshie was drafted with high picks by the preceding GM), attempts at cost efficient signings (other teams find a Panarin, Kuzmenko, Zub or Verhaeghe or Forsling, we can't get a single one of the Russians that come in and dominate the league every other year despite being the Russian mafia of the NHL lol, but there's always a Brett Connolly Conor Sheary or Sonny Milano consolation prize), letting young players go just before they break out while overpaying to sign or trade for mediocre vets who have a "track record" in the NHL. It worked when the team's biggest need is a 3C, supporting defenseman or role player but when you're competing against 32 teams and your always reliable inherited star players start to wane and there's nothing behind them you get... this
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For most of the past coupla weeks, I felt better being a somewhat uninvolved observer to the eight playoff series, as opposed to being stressed by the Caps being involved in a tight (and, lately, likely to end in defeat) playoff match-up. Then this thread ...
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Its funny, BMacs entire tenure is very nicely encapsulated by the Nathan Walker saga. Invite him to camp, then instead of signing him trade draft picks to move up to draft him. Then a few years later he signs Lundqvist to be a veteran goalie mentor to Samsonov. Lundqvist's heart gives out, they roll with Sammy/Vanecek tandem to underwhelming results while Craig Anderson warms the bench the entire year as a 3rd stringer despite still being an NHL goalie for several years after. Seattle comes along and takes Vanecek, allowing them to keep Jensen and trade off Dillon for 2 2nds, a pretty nice gift from Seattle bungling the expansion draft. Instead of going back to the original strategy of having a cheap veteran with Samsonov they... trade a 2nd round pick from a team that has been burning through picks at the deadline for many years for Vanecek and roll the same tandem that they rolled by accident to underwhelming results the prior season... again. Only to give up Vanecek for effectively nothing just a year later, as well as managing to get nothing for Samsonov and his very palatable RFA rights at 2.2M QO, for him to go on and be a top 10 goalie that same year making 2 million dollars for a different team. Its just constant nonstop dripping inefficiency at every level that they could get away with while carried by the single most reliable year to year star player of the salary cap era and the nice core that was inherited around him but that ultimately adds up in a league where every team is trying to get ahead by any sliver they can. You have the same inefficiency at the draft (bottom of the league results wise since BMac took over while the whole core minus Oshie was drafted with high picks by the preceding GM), attempts at cost efficient signings (other teams find a Panarin, Kuzmenko, Zub or Verhaeghe or Forsling, we can't get a single one of the Russians that come in and dominate the league every other year despite being the Russian mafia of the NHL lol, but there's always a Brett Connolly Conor Sheary or Sonny Milano consolation prize), letting young players go just before they break out while overpaying to sign or trade for mediocre vets who have a "track record" in the NHL. It worked when the team's biggest need is a 3C, supporting defenseman or role player but when you're competing against 32 teams and your always reliable inherited star players start to wane and there's nothing behind them you get... this
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