Speculation: Caps Roster General Discussion (Coaching/FAs/Cap/Lines etc) - 2023 Off-season

[itsjustsurvival]

If guys first name is Hardy i dont think we need a nickname..

Vibing this a bit as we are giving Fever the top pairing spot, and young guns + Hardy + another cheap UFA signing will battle out the 6-8 D out. Not sure how I feel about that...

Fever-Carlson
Sandin-Jensen
Hardy/UFA-TvR
Iorio-AA

But yeah, nothing to lose with this signing.

I'm pretty sure that every single player listed is better than Irwin, so I feel pretty good about it.

 

[Roshi]

I'm pretty sure that every single player listed is better than Irwin, so I feel pretty good about it.

Who said the UFA go-get isnt Irwin?

 

[itsjustsurvival]

Who said the UFA go-get isnt Irwin?

Why would you speak that evil into existence?

 

[Empty Goal Net]

From the early sixties, voiced by the great Mel Blanc ...

From the Wiki: Lippy the Lion and Hardy Har Har is an animated television series produced by Hanna-Barbera and aired as part of the 1962 series The Hanna-Barbera New Cartoon Series starring the titular anthropomorphic lion and hyena duo in a series of goofy misadventures.

Lippy the Lion (voiced by Daws Butler impersonating Joe E. Brown) and Hardy Har Har the hyena (voiced by Mel Blanc) first appeared in The Hanna-Barbera New Cartoon Series in 1962, along with Wally Gator and Touché Turtle and Dum Dum. Mel Blanc used the same voice, personality and expressions for Hardy Har Har that he used playing the postman on the Burns and Allen radio show.

 

[Misery74]

The Bo Horvat trade should be a cautionary tale for BMac. That’s setting up to be an absolute disaster.

IMO, in spite of what the captain may want, less is more this offseason.

Hoping the Leafs eliminate the Lightning tonight so we can hire Halpern tomorrow.

 

[Hivemind]

Hoping the Leafs eliminate the Lightning tonight so we can hire Halpern tomorrow.

Other way around. Carbery is the far better hire. Halpern doesn't have any head coaching experience at any level. There's at least 3 or 4 other candidates I'd prefer over Halpern, and Carbery is #1 on that list.

 

[ovikovy817]

Bring Fedorov as HC.
Won his second Gagarin Cup as HC in 2 years just few minutes ago.

 

[Misery74]

Other way around. Carbery is the far better hire. Halpern doesn't have any head coaching experience at any level. There's at least 3 or 4 other candidates I'd prefer over Halpern, and Carbery is #1 on that list.

Yeah, I can see your point. He’s been under Cooper a while now. I find this prospect pretty appealing.

Carbery is second on my list.

Bring Fedorov as HC.
Won his second Gagarin Cup as HC in 2 years just few minutes ago.

I would absolutely consider this option. Congrats to him.

 

[trick9]

Other way around. Carbery is the far better hire. Halpern doesn't have any head coaching experience at any level. There's at least 3 or 4 other candidates I'd prefer over Halpern, and Carbery is #1 on that list.

If the Leafs lose again in the 1st round, they might fire Keefe to keep Carbery.

 

[SecretaryofDefense5]

If the Leafs lose again in the 1st round, they might fire Keefe to keep Carbery.

I’ve heard that but I find it hard to believe they would go with a first time coach at this point in their franchise trajectory and a big market like that.

 

[Empty Goal Net]

The Bo Horvat trade should be a cautionary tale for BMac. That’s setting up to be an absolute disaster.

IMO, in spite of what the captain may want, less is more this offseason.

Eh, not sure - yet - that Horvat couldn't slot in more effectively elsewhere. The Aisles needed scoring and Horvat was available. The Aisles' style of play isn't suited to just any player. I still have a fair amount of faith in BMac to do his homework.

To your second point - regardless of who (Ovie, Ted, ???) wants to "go for it" next season, I'd be happy with an approach that adds a few players who are about to become UFAs or even RFAs to fill necessary roles on the squad. If things click, great, the team can be modest buyers at deadline. If for whatever combination of reasons - 19 deteriorates, Oshie gets reinjured, the young'uns show they belong in Hershey - they aren't in sight of a playoff spot in mid-late February, they can be sellers at deadline.

 

[Brian23]

 

[Ridley Simon]

Sept 5th. He tied it on my birthday and broke it the next day on the 6th.

I’m the 6th. My cousin is the 5th, wife is the 9th.

 

[g00n]

It's not my job to stan for Lavi but that headline is biased af, probably based on the author's feelings and the "evidence" he claims to have rather than what Lavi actually said.

Saying Lavi is "shifting blame onto young players" suggests he's scapegoating young players in general and that's not what he said.

We can all disagree as to what "outplay somebody" and "earn those minutes" means, and who actually did that. But this doesn't seem like an unreasonable stance to take for a coach in his position, with the roster he was given.

How good a job he did overall is also up for debate. But he, GMBM, the Captain of the team, and probably 90% of the roster all understood things the same way: they were a veteran team trying to get back to their previous level of performance and this was not going to be a "rebuild".

 

[HTFN]

It's not my job to stan for Lavi but that headline is biased af, probably based on the author's feelings and the "evidence" he claims to have rather than what Lavi actually said.

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Saying Lavi is "shifting blame onto young players" suggests he's scapegoating young players in general and that's not what he said.

We can all disagree as to what "outplay somebody" and "earn those minutes" means, and who actually did that. But this doesn't seem like an unreasonable stance to take for a coach in his position, with the roster he was given.

How good a job he did overall is also up for debate. But he, GMBM, the Captain of the team, and probably 90% of the roster all understood things the same way: they were a veteran team trying to get back to their previous level of performance and this was not going to be a "rebuild".

That's kind of what that means, though. He's holding Fever up like the token friend and using that to deflect criticism but Laviolette even using the word accountability right there is... not holding water for me. None for Irwin, none for Kuznetsov, but those are "the veterans he's here to coach". I hear his words and they make sense, mostly, but as soon as you compare them to the things he actually did it all falls apart.

Isn't it weird that he's separated them, too, like he's not here to coach all the players? Imagine approaching them all as one big group and just making roster choices solely on merit, instead of applying this additional weight because you feel bad about benching veteran guys (except Anthony Mantha).

edit: oh, and I forgot about benching Strome just to get some guys in. So you can do it for veterans but you can't occasionally toss a younger guy some minutes?

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Dude is gone, get over it. Live in the now…

 

[HTFN]

Dude is gone, get over it. Live in the now…

Interview's from... yesterday? Don't talk about it while it's happening, don't talk about it after it happened... you really just never want anyone to poke at these decisions ever, don't you? It was a shitty, arrogant quote and I disagree with it. What exactly are we talking about now with Caps hockey anyway except for other decisions we can't make?

 

[g00n]

That's kind of what that means, though. He's holding Fever up like the token friend and using that to deflect criticism but Laviolette even using the word accountability right there is... not holding water for me. None for Irwin, none for Kuznetsov, but those are "the veterans he's here to coach". I hear his words and they make sense, mostly, but as soon as you compare them to the things he actually did it all falls apart.

Isn't it weird that he's separated them, too, like he's not here to coach all the players? Imagine approaching them all as one big group and just making roster choices solely on merit, instead of applying this additional weight because you feel bad about benching veteran guys (except Anthony Mantha).

edit: oh, and I forgot about benching Strome just to get some guys in. So you can do it for veterans but you can't occasionally toss a younger guy some minutes?

It's not what it means. You can say he was citing Fever as a token exception but the suggestion is that Lavi was wrong and was scapegoating all young players by shifting blame to them, and that's not what he said or what happened.

 

[HTFN]

It's not what it means. You can say he was citing Fever as a token exception but the suggestion is that Lavi was wrong and was scapegoating all young players by shifting blame to them, and that's not what he said or what happened.

His thing was "they didn't earn it, because guys who earned it like Fever played" but that makes it about the players by default and not the qualities required to "earn it".

If you're trying to get a promotion and all your job related metrics look good but your employer keeps saying you need to do a little more to earn it, you're going to look at how you compare to your peers. If they really are better than you now it's on you to improve, and apparently Laviolette believes that or he wouldn't say it.

So now it comes down to unpacking who values what in performance, and I don't think that was enforced evenly or with accountability at all.

 

[twabby]

I think those Laviolette quotes reinforce the idea that he was just bad at player evaluation.

 

[HTFN]

I think those Laviolette quotes reinforce the idea that he was just bad at player evaluation.

Or at least that the things he weights and prioritizes don't have much correlation to on-ice performance.

Of course, you could say that's also being bad at player evaluation... I don't think his eyes are busted but there's too much fear of the negative, maybe? It's like he's lost faith in being surprised

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Interview's from... yesterday? Don't talk about it while it's happening, don't talk about it after it happened... you really just never want anyone to poke at these decisions ever, don't you? It was a shitty, arrogant quote and I disagree with it. What exactly are we talking about now with Caps hockey anyway except for other decisions we can't make?

Yes exactly….lame ass blogger needs a fresh subject….

 

[Misery74]

Laviolette was awful. Glad he’s a talker, because he just reinforces how shitty his tenure was here.

Good riddance.

 

[SecretaryofDefense5]

 

[Ovi895]

It's not my job to stan for Lavi but that headline is biased af, probably based on the author's feelings and the "evidence" he claims to have rather than what Lavi actually said.

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Saying Lavi is "shifting blame onto young players" suggests he's scapegoating young players in general and that's not what he said.

We can all disagree as to what "outplay somebody" and "earn those minutes" means, and who actually did that. But this doesn't seem like an unreasonable stance to take for a coach in his position, with the roster he was given.

How good a job he did overall is also up for debate. But he, GMBM, the Captain of the team, and probably 90% of the roster all understood things the same way: they were a veteran team trying to get back to their previous level of performance and this was not going to be a "rebuild".

Whoever's job it is must be getting pretty nervous though, that's some nice pro Lavi fluff completely twisting what actually transpired this season.

Who did Fehervary "bump" exactly? There was literally no other NHL level LD on the roster other than Orlov after they traded Dillon and Lavi still shoehorned Irwin and TVR into those roles as much as he could. Not playing Fehervary with what GMBM gave him to work with would have been Adam Oates level mismanagement and a death knell for his future career as HC. This is like saying "well Lavi played Vanecek and Samsonov last 2 seasons" as proof that he'll start young goalies over veteran ones

Dude is gone, get over it. Live in the now…

right, you don't have to stan for him anymore