Speculation: Caps Roster General Discussion (Coaching/FAs/Cap/Lines etc) - 2023 Off-season

[g00n]

potentially significant hike

likely fairly firm, imo. would be very reckless to let teams think they can operate with this number in mind this year and then find it lowered

 

[Cush]

Give me this line opening night

Of course they put him back in for the one game not televised

 

[Ridley Simon]

I o

Matty P making me look like a smart prospect guy by ranking him #7 in the Caps pipeline. Perhaps I should have ranked him higher!

These are fun. I did call for HHA at #6.

My yin to your yang?

 

[Ridley Simon]

I don't think 99% of the forum actually watches these prospects play hockey with any regularity so I'm not inclined to think much of the results of a poll and it certainly doesn't indicate I'm lacking common sense because I decide to go with guys like Cristall and Phillips higher than most.

I think Phillips was given a raw deal in Calgary and now he's going to be given an opportunity to prove himself. Just because he's 25 doesn't mean he's washed up. It just means that maybe he spent a few of his potentially most impactful years in the AHL rather than the NHL due to a bad coach.

As someone that loves not watching “the game” and are proud of it.

I LOVE this quote.

Love you, twabs!

 

[ClevelandCapsfan]

Of course they put him back in for the one game not televised

Don’t feel bad. Here in Cleveland area, I am blacked out of the next 3 Caps game (home and away in Columbus and Pittsburgh.

 

[twabby]

As someone that loves not watching “the game” and are proud of it.

I LOVE this quote.

Love you, twabs!

Not watching the games is great but you have to follow the numbers. Otherwise it's pointless!

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Crazy part is the game actually needs to be ”observed” to collect the statistics….so….…..the foundation of statistics is the eye test! /match

 

[ArmadilloThumb]

Hi all. Been very pleased with what I'm seeing from Carberry and the young'uns at camp so far.

If the progress we are seeing contines with all the young talent, we may have significant mid - long term upside upfront...

2025 - 2026... something like:

Miro - McMichael - Leonard
Ovechkin - Lappy - Wilson
Cristall - Protas - Phillips
Suzy/XXXX - Strome - Milano/XXXX

Beck/XXXX

If that were the case with most of this group, we could then focus on getting some high-end D with future cap space to go with whoever steps up from all the young D.

Could mean a window for Ovi to hang on for a few more Cup runs, and a run 1000 if it all pans out...

Maybe last year was the bottom.

 

[Dr John Carlson]

McMichael/Lapierre/Protas down the middle... are we sure that's actually good at all? I'm not.

 

[Todos a la Calle]

If McMichael and Protas turned into good 2C and 3C, that'd be a major win for the organization. I'm rooting for them.

 

[WanderingCapsFan]

McMichael/Lapierre/Protas down the middle... are we sure that's actually good at all? I'm not.

Where's Strome and Backstrom and Dowd?

 

[ArmadilloThumb]

Where's Strome and Backstrom and Dowd?

Remember my discussion was for 2025 - 2026. Not unreasonable to assume Backs retires by then.

I put Strome on the 4th line - but under that scenario it's almost a case of having a 1A, 1B, 1C, & 1D at centre.

The lineup I suggested that could be a plausible 2025 - 2026 mix is one that would have depth and a balance of skill, speed, and tenacity. And be reasonable cost wise. Scoring and grit coming at the opposition from many contributors .

Again that's if the optimistic CMM, Protas, Leonard, Miroshnichenko, and Cristall projections pan out.

They ALL have, and continue to, exceed expectations and I have been loud about their upside for quite some time, particularly with CMM, Protas and Miroshnichenko.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

McMichael/Lapierre/Protas down the middle... are we sure that's actually good at all? I'm not.

Not today by a long shot….maybe in a few years, but I doubt it.

 

[twabby]

“I’ve talked to them about that, of having more of an offensive flair to a pair,” Carbery said earlier in camp. “A lot of people think about, and rightly so — not saying that we wouldn’t go back to this — but putting someone like a Sandin with [Trevor van Riemsdyk] or Nick Jensen, which is fair. Really good defenders. Really smart defenders. Err on the side of caution. But I think there’s something to be said, too, for giving a look to two guys that see the game at a real high level offensively and playing them together.”

...

In the two games Sandin and Carlson have played together, their offensive impact has been clear. With them on the ice, the Capitals have scored three goals at even strength and allowed one. According to Natural Stat Trick, Washington has an 83 percent expected goals share in Carlson and Sandin’s minutes — indicating the Capitals are generating offense and limiting their opponents’ chances when the high-octane pair is out there together.

This is the good stuff. Carbery has impressed me so far!

 

[Kuz]

Remember my discussion was for 2025 - 2026. Not unreasonable to assume Backs retires by then.

I put Strome on the 4th line - but under that scenario it's almost a case of having a 1A, 1B, 1C, & 1D at centre.

The lineup I suggested that could be a plausible 2025 - 2026 mix is one that would have depth and a balance of skill, speed, and tenacity. And be reasonable cost wise. Scoring and grit coming at the opposition from many contributors .

Again that's if the optimistic CMM, Protas, Leonard, Miroshnichenko, and Cristall projections pan out.

They ALL have, and continue to, exceed expectations and I have been loud about their upside for quite some time, particularly with CMM, Protas and Miroshnichenko.

1A, 1B, 1C and 1D down the middle?

None of the players listed so far have progression that looks like they are 1C material. The hope is that one of Lapierre and McMichael can be a 2C and the other a top 6 winger and Protas can fill the 3C. CMM didnt exceed expectations last year in the AHL if you consider him a future 1C then he should have been a dominating player in the AHL last year.

 

[HecticGlow]

At this point none of CMM, Lapierre and Protas have even proven themselves to be NHL centers yet, much less future 1Cs. None of them appear to have the vision or play making you would typically want from a strong 1C, either.

That’s not to say it’s not possible, but at this juncture it’s also not likely.

Equally it remains a big unknown what role Miro, Cristall and Leonard will play. We’ve had plenty of talented wingers in our system - Vrana and Burakovsky are obvious examples - who never found long term homes in the top-6 for us. It’s far too soon to judge their ceilings.

 

[um]

Remember my discussion was for 2025 - 2026. Not unreasonable to assume Backs retires by then.

I put Strome on the 4th line - but under that scenario it's almost a case of having a 1A, 1B, 1C, & 1D at centre.

The lineup I suggested that could be a plausible 2025 - 2026 mix is one that would have depth and a balance of skill, speed, and tenacity. And be reasonable cost wise. Scoring and grit coming at the opposition from many contributors .

Again that's if the optimistic CMM, Protas, Leonard, Miroshnichenko, and Cristall projections pan out.

They ALL have, and continue to, exceed expectations and I have been loud about their upside for quite some time, particularly with CMM, Protas and Miroshnichenko.

cmon man.

 

[ArmadilloThumb]

cmon man.

I specifically spoke to POTENTIAL. And yes, I like to be optimistic. And I repeat, i was referring to 2025 - 2026. The young talent I have been singing the praises of have consistently exceeded the expectations of many. I hope and suspect that will continue.

And maybe a more acceptable way to say it is we could have exceptional depth at centre with all four I mention able to play and significantly contribute on any if the four lines - which one can argue yields success better than one superstar centre and everyone else. It allows for situational flexibility which means a smart tactical coach can lever different team strengths in different situations and again different opponents/styles.

I watched CMM a LOT here in London. I think Carberry and a lot of others on staff might feel the same way I do about him. Miro and Leonard are going to be big stars. Maybe Cristall too, but too early to tell. I also suspect Protas is going to become the scoring machine he was in Junior. It is just going to take time for that to emerge - just like it did for Tage Thompson in Buffalo.

 

[itsjustsurvival]

Assuming Strome is a ~60pt player under 30 years old, I find it extremely unlikely he would be only the 4th best center on the team. Also in this hypothetical scenario where all of these guys are playing at full potential, there isn't enough ice time to optimize all 4. More likely some would be shipped out to address other needs. Either way, I'd put good money that only one of CMM, Lapierre, or Protas has a chance at outperforming Strome in this timeframe. Would love to be wrong though.

 

[itsjustsurvival]

Ethen Frank, Riley Sutter, and Chase Priskie all recalled and are supposed to play tonight. That's definitely weird, right? I don't remember that happening in the past. Odd considering how many players are still with the team.

Edit: Also strange to me that Oshie has only played one game so far.

 

[swansonsays]

Ethen Frank, Riley Sutter, and Chase Priskie all recalled and are supposed to play tonight. That's definitely weird, right? I don't remember that happening in the past. Odd considering how many players are still with the team.

Edit: Also strange to me that Oshie has only played one game so far.

Maybe they were waived early, on a busy waivers day, to lessen the chance of being claimed? Now they are recalled and can stay up for the rest of camp without being waived again. Also, I doubt they were going to play in Hershey's preseason game this weekend, so this gets them game time? Purely speculation on my part.

 

[Maryland17]

Probably changed line-ups knowing what CBJs are icing. A group minus Ovy line being switch with the 3 recalls.

 

[itsjustsurvival]

Probably changed line-ups knowing what CBJs are icing. A group minus Ovy line being switch with the 3 recalls.
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Sure, but why sit Snively and Iorio when you are playing everyone else fighting for those spots? And then play guys who were "cut" and haven't played above anyone that's still with the team? (Obligatory: Except Mantha)

 

[YippieKaey]

Ethen Frank, Riley Sutter, and Chase Priskie all recalled and are supposed to play tonight. That's definitely weird, right? I don't remember that happening in the past. Odd considering how many players are still with the team.

Edit: Also strange to me that Oshie has only played one game so far.

Maintenance day......

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Strome is waaay more likely the 1c in two years than he is the 4c…..eesh.