Speculation: Caps Roster General Discussion (Coaching/FAs/Cap/Lines etc) - 2023 Off-season

[John Price]

Orioles have been having crossover jerseys for like 2 years now with soccer jerseys and purple pride jerseys which is their ravens cross sport jersey. Haven't seen that much in the DC area so eager to see them here.

Nats have basically been giving fans special jerseys with a special ticket (kind of like this one), but they're not cross sport, they're just Jewish day, Italian day, phillipines day, hispanic heritage day. I have tickets to all 4 and will get the jewish one sunday

 

[Ridley Simon]

lmfao people happy with gmbm being promoted will be happy with this team staying stuck in the past and shit forever, enjoy having a dinosaur continue to run this org into the ground

Thought you were a Canuck fan now. Why do you care?

 

[Marshall]

He’s no Stan Smyl!

In all seriousness, he’s one of 3 GM’s to ever have guides a team for at least 600 games and to an over .640 winning percentage.

Sure, we can do a LOT better, shouldn’t be hard to find a far more competent GM? 2 other guys are ahead of him? Let’s hire them?

A+ reference.

 

[Calicaps]

Orioles have been having crossover jerseys for like 2 years now with soccer jerseys and purple pride jerseys which is their ravens cross sport jersey. Haven't seen that much in the DC area so eager to see them here.

Nats have basically been giving fans special jerseys with a special ticket (kind of like this one), but they're not cross sport, they're just Jewish day, Italian day, phillipines day, hispanic heritage day. I have tickets to all 4 and will get the jewish one sunday

Not sure how I feel about Jewish Day. But please post a pic of the jersey so I can reflect on all the ways it goes wrong.

 

[JayBeagleFanAccount]

Thought you were a Canuck fan now. Why do you care?

? i hate the canucks

 

[SecretaryofDefense5]

Hell no. If he leaves for Russia, we can't stop him, but we keep his fkg rights.

I just want the era of Kuzy on the Caps to end.

 

[Brian23]

Perhaps the scouts should have done a better job assessing his maturity level then? All I see is a bust when then could have had a star player if they simply told their amateur scouts to go play The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt all spring.

Dude, I love stats. I think analytics is one of the most important tools you can have, but the entire way you apply analytics to scouting and drafting is so ass backwards it's insane. There's no care or sense for the process, just binary "does it work or not".

It's *very* easy to say with confidence who's gonna be good when you have the benefits of hindsight and that's about the only way I'm seeing you apply the analytics. Using Samsonov as an example of that is just absolutely looney.

 

[Ridley Simon]

? i hate the canucks

JayBeagleFanAccount hates the Canucks? Now I’m lost.

 

[Ovie's Neighbor]

What an oddly arbitrary cutoff, almost like we want to ignore the biggest accomplishment of any GM in Capital's history.

But that's fine. He put teams together that finished 1st, 1st, 2nd, 4th, and 6th in that time span (that 4th placed team also were *dominating* in their first round loss, but their net minders let them down). He's won 204 of 371 possible games, a 55% winning record.

Seems everyone's got up in arms because he punted on last year, something that not man GM's have the gumption too do. The 4 previous years the teams he put together were not the issue, it was on players (goalies not stepping up) or coaches.

All I hear is excuse. It was the fault of the players (who he picked) and the coaches (who he picked). I’m not saying fire the guy but if you want to promote him to President of hockey ops do it after the cup win. Not when he is in a slump of first round exits and then not even making the playoffs.

 

[Ovechkins Wodka]

Patrick retired and everyone moved up 1 spot. Whats the big deal?

 

[twabby]

Dude, I love stats. I think analytics is one of the most important tools you can have, but the entire way you apply analytics to scouting and drafting is so ass backwards it's insane. There's no care or sense for the process, just binary "does it work or not".

It's *very* easy to say with confidence who's gonna be good when you have the benefits of hindsight and that's about the only way I'm seeing you apply the analytics. Using Samsonov as an example of that is just absolutely looney.

Ultimately results do matter, so yes “does it work” should be the only consideration on draft day. Sure it makes sense to develop a multifaceted process that achieves ideal drafting results, but come draft day if the process that is being built still can’t beat the model then why would any team choose it?

Going back to the medicine example: it’s certainly worthwhile to develop new drugs and therapies to better improve patient outcomes in the future. But when it’s decision time you choose the best option available at the time. And right now, the only prescription is more NHLe!

 

[SecretaryofDefense5]

Fine with BMac getting extended. I don’t see the issue. Dude has done a good job overall. Could you fault him for some decisions? Of course! But tell me a GM who hasn’t made any mistakes.

 

[Alexander the Gr8]

Let’s see if the approach changes with GMBM as President. It was always unclear to me what Patrick was ultimately responsible for, or if he was the final decision maker for certain major moves.

 

[Langway]

And right now, the only prescription is more Soylent Green!

Yes, I agree.

 

[DWGie26]

I have hired a lot of people. And fired a bunch as well. I can’t imagine having to hire (sign contracts) and being stuck with them.

Imagine hiring a sales person based on past performance and expectation that they will produce revenue for you but they perform below expectations and you can’t fire them or trade them to another company.

GM role is a hard job. Radically different than what any of us do professionally. GMBM is very savvy, won a cup, great track record. This promotion/extension also signals that GMBM will be around for the rebuild which is a good thing.

 

[g00n]

Ultimately results do matter, so yes “does it work” should be the only consideration on draft day. Sure it makes sense to develop a multifaceted process that achieves ideal drafting results, but come draft day if the process that is being built still can’t beat the model then why would any team choose it?

Going back to the medicine example: it’s certainly worthwhile to develop new drugs and therapies to better improve patient outcomes in the future. But when it’s decision time you choose the best option available at the time. And right now, the only prescription is more NHLe!

Analogy abuse.

Results alone don't measure the relative value of a process. Shit happens. Some things are more like placing a bet than buying a product. You don't get a receipt that lets you speak to the manager when it breaks, you get a betting slip for your wager. Win some, lose some.

That applies in other areas of life, as well.

It's as if that Einstein "definition of insanity" quote has supplanted common sense and patience and turned many people into "does it work, yes or no" robots who believe intransigent bravado about "results" is the height of human optimization while impatience and "close enough" science-ish models exclude the possibilities for what the "same thing" might actually be.

Which is especially ironic since this method does not work every time, and Einstein never said it.

 

[AlexModvechkin8]

I have hired a lot of people. And fired a bunch as well. I can’t imagine having to hire (sign contracts) and being stuck with them.

Imagine hiring a sales person based on past performance and expectation that they will produce revenue for you but they perform below expectations and you can’t fire them or trade them to another company.

GM role is a hard job. Radically different than what any of us do professionally. GMBM is very savvy, won a cup, great track record. This promotion/extension also signals that GMBM will be around for the rebuild which is a good thing.

Well put. Maybe Ted learned his lesson from last time with George making a few terrible decisions in a desperate attempt to save his job and now that Mac has some security, he can take a more measured approach to the next few years.

I feel comfortable that BMac will do the right thing more often than not and even if he didn’t do the right thing or the outcome was bad, most times I agree with or at least understand the process that got him to that decision. He is not a guy that flies by the seat of his pants.

 

[itsjustsurvival]

Well put. Maybe Ted learned his lesson from last time with George making a few terrible decisions in a desperate attempt to save his job and now that Mac has some security, he can take a more measured approach to the next few years.

I feel comfortable that BMac will do the right thing more often than not and even if he didn’t do the right thing or the outcome was bad, most times I agree with or at least understand the process that got him to that decision. He is not a guy that flies by the seat of his pants.

This is pretty much how I feel. Not every move has worked out, but in general, I agree with his approach. I also enjoy how upfront he typically is about what he's trying to do.

 

[Neil Racki]

Our goalie situation baffles me when I think about it

2 years ago we had 2 young unproven rookies when we were still competing for a Cup, when idly wed have a vet like Darcy (or Lundqvist)

2 years later .. both those young goalies are starters for cup contenders and we got 2 stable vets for non-playoff seasons ahead

Just wish things were reversed.

Not that it would have mattered though

 

[itsjustsurvival]

The longer he goes unsigned, the more I wonder what Morgan Frost would cost. Skill set would be a nice complement to the top 6.

 

[Ovechkins Wodka]

MGM Vegas has the Caps over/under total points at 85.5. Pitt is 96.5

Ovie goals is 40.5, +800 to score 50

 

[Peeri]

MGM Vegas has the Caps over/under total points at 85.5. Pitt is 96.5

Ovie goals is 40.5, +800 to score 50

I would be ecstatic if he Ovie hits 40 this year. But if anyone can, he is the man.

 

[AlexModvechkin8]

Our goalie situation baffles me when I think about it

2 years ago we had 2 young unproven rookies when we were still competing for a Cup, when idly wed have a vet like Darcy (or Lundqvist)

2 years later .. both those young goalies are starters for cup contenders and we got 2 stable vets for non-playoff seasons ahead

Just wish things were reversed.

Not that it would have mattered though

NJ benched Vanecek and is actively looking to replace him. They’ve been linked to Gibson and Hellebuyck. He’s fine as a regular season goalie on a strong team but he’s not proven to be a difference maker when it gets tough. Sammy is Sammy. He’s unbelievably good at times and at other times he looks like he’s making up the position as he goes along.

I think Mac made the right call on both of those guys. Neither Vanecek nor Sammy are the right goalie for this team right now.

 

[kicksavedave]

I think Mac made the right call on both of those guys. Neither Vanecek nor Sammy are the right goalie for this team right now.

But both of those guys deserved the shot to become the Caps #1 goalie, just neither one of them seized it for us. The moaning about how BMac handled the goalie situation ignores the impossible to predict heart failure by King Lundy, and also ignores that he made the right call to let Holtby go when he did vs committing a big long term deal to him right before he fell off a cliff, competitively.

That things didn't work out perfectly is 100% hindsight. Even good GM's don't get everything right.

 

[hockeykicker]