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pman25 said:
Is Montreal really gonna inflate another asset and return a high pick?

We already got swindled with Edmundson. They somehow got a 1st for Chiarot. Now Monahan?

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Swindled for edmunson? They gave up a 3rd round pick which was only because the habs retained 50 percent.
 
Dreger isn’t very good at this so I don’t really believe this connection. But happens every year. Montreal’s spare parts are always hyped up for the trade deadline.

We gotta take a lesson from them and get Dowd and Lindgren floating in the rumor mill to get 1sts for them!

hockeykicker said:
Swindled for edmunson? They gave up a 3rd round pick which was only because the habs retained 50 percent.
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Yea swindled. Threw away a 3rd rounder for a crappy depth defenseman. We had AHLers who can do what he does
 
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pman25 said:
Dreger isn’t very good at this so I don’t really believe this connection. But happens every year. Montreal’s spare parts are always hyped up for the trade deadline.

We gotta take a lesson from them and get Dowd and Lindgren floating in the rumor mill to get 1sts for them!


Yea swindled. Threw away a 3rd rounder for a crappy depth defenseman. We had AHLers who can do what he does
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And they have AA scratched every gave, how much worse can he possibly be than Edmonson.

AA seems to be at a point where most players either make the team or ask for a trade to get a chance somewhere else. Which also adds to the perplexity surrounding this trade.

BM keeps trying to find his Orpik again. And it ain't working.
 
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crazy8888 said:
And they have AA scratched every gave, how much worse can he possibly be than Edmonson.

AA seems to be at a point where most players either make the team or ask for a trade to get a chance somewhere else. Which also adds to the perplexity surrounding this trade.

BM keeps trying to find his Orpik again. And it ain't working.
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I’ve pretty much given up on AA. I know it’s not over but his development has seemed to have stalled
 
Corby78 said:
I’ve pretty much given up on AA. I know it’s not over but his development has seemed to have stalled
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Its difficult to establish yourself when you have so little opportunities. They wont play him. They wont send him down to Hershey because they are afraid that he will be claimed. They go out of their way to bring in a veteran who so far has not done a good job and yet there is still no sweater available most of the time.
I think his size is part of the reason why the organization is hesitant to lose him.
 
I think this TDL is going to be a big one for the team. Not only the moves they do or don't make, but I think they will need to have picked a direction for next season by this season's TDL.

I think if they have a real opportunity to sell high on Nic Dowd and Charlie Lindgren. Both have been good players, but I think there are legitimate concerns about their ability to continue at their current pace. Dowd is 33 years old and plays a physical style. Lindgren isn't old but his track record isn't very extensive and he's been injured a few times already. How does their play really project going forward?

The team needs to decide if they're going to push their chips in the middle next season or not. If not, then I feel like it's almost mandatory for them to sell Dowd and Lindgren this year when their values are at their peaks. Given their contracts and their performances to date I wouldn't be shocked if they would each return a first round pick or close to it. A team like Edmonton or Toronto could use both players. New Jersey could really use a goalie. A lot of contenders would love to bolster their bottom 6 and Dowd could do that for 2 postseason runs.

The only reason it would make sense to hold onto either of them is if they go all in next season and upgrade the top end of their roster. Otherwise, what's the point of keeping Dowd and Lindgren? Both are performing well this season but the team is going nowhere because the top 6 is no good.
 
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marcel snapshot said:
I'm apparently the only who thinks that Edmundson is . . . not that bad really.
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IMHO, he looked better earlier in the season. I liken him to a slightly faster Alzner and with the same puck handling skills (none). He's fine for 3rd pair or depth, but should not be anywhere else.
 
notDkristich said:
IMHO, he looked better earlier in the season. I liken him to a slightly faster Alzner and with the same puck handling skills (none). He's fine for 3rd pair or depth, but should not be anywhere else.
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Can’t believe I’m coming in here to defend Karl Alzner , but he was a legit number one shut down defender in the top of the league before his hernia injuries

They are on different levels maybe if you’re comparing hurt Alzner before he had to retire
 
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Ovechkins Wodka said:
Can’t believe I’m coming in here to defend Karl Alzner , but he was a legit number one shut down defender in the top of the league before his hernia injuries

They are on different levels maybe if you’re comparing hurt Alzner before he had to retire
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I'm a big Alzner fan, even own a jersey of his. But he was never a legit number one shut down defender. He could munch a lot of minutes against difficult competition, but he was never tilting the ice dramatically in those minutes the way that the best shutdown league in the D can. He was a very useful role player, but nowhere near top of the league.
 
Hivemind said:
I'm a big Alzner fan, even own a jersey of his. But he was never a legit number one shut down defender. He could munch a lot of minutes against difficult competition, but he was never tilting the ice dramatically in those minutes the way that the best shutdown league in the D can. He was a very useful role player, but nowhere near top of the league.
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If you’re judging him just on some bad memories in playoffs versus prime Crosby, and Geno. No one looks good

No one in the world could stop them at that time

Also, we all blame the goalie coach, but is it we don’t have Alzner protecting the goalies anymore
 
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Ovechkins Wodka said:
If you’re judging him just on some bad memories in playoffs versus prime Crosby, and Geno. No one looks good

No one in the world could stop them at that time

Also, we all blame the goalie coach, but is it we don’t have Alzner protecting the goalies anymore
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I'm not judging him based on any individual playoff series, or the playoffs alone in general. He was good, but he wasn't exceptional.

We blame the goalie coach for the goalie coach f***ing up multiple goalies in a row. Alzner was gone before the Cup, and had been trending downwards before he left Washington.
 
twabby said:
I think this TDL is going to be a big one for the team. Not only the moves they do or don't make, but I think they will need to have picked a direction for next season by this season's TDL.

I think if they have a real opportunity to sell high on Nic Dowd and Charlie Lindgren. Both have been good players, but I think there are legitimate concerns about their ability to continue at their current pace. Dowd is 33 years old and plays a physical style. Lindgren isn't old but his track record isn't very extensive and he's been injured a few times already. How does their play really project going forward?

The team needs to decide if they're going to push their chips in the middle next season or not. If not, then I feel like it's almost mandatory for them to sell Dowd and Lindgren this year when their values are at their peaks. Given their contracts and their performances to date I wouldn't be shocked if they would each return a first round pick or close to it. A team like Edmonton or Toronto could use both players. New Jersey could really use a goalie. A lot of contenders would love to bolster their bottom 6 and Dowd could do that for 2 postseason runs.

The only reason it would make sense to hold onto either of them is if they go all in next season and upgrade the top end of their roster. Otherwise, what's the point of keeping Dowd and Lindgren? Both are performing well this season but the team is going nowhere because the top 6 is no good.
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Totally agree, if I had it my way:
- Lindgren traded (first rounder for sure)
- Dowd traded (Not sure I agree he would get a first, but a 2nd I'd be happy with)
- Mantha traded with a bunch of retention (he's played well enough to also fetch a second imo)
- Paciorety traded with some retention (3rd rounder?)
- Trade ONE of the D. I don't really care who as long as they're in their 30's.
 
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filinski77 said:
Totally agree, if I had it my way:
- Lindgren traded (first rounder for sure)
- Dowd traded (Not sure I agree he would get a first, but a 2nd I'd be happy with)
- Mantha traded with a bunch of retention (he's played well enough to also fetch a second imo)
- Paciorety traded with some retention (3rd rounder?)
- Trade ONE of the D. I don't really care who as long as they're in their 30's.
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Dowd is apparently already garnering interest around the league which is good. He can be a very attractive piece for a contender, especially a team like Edmonton that can use a solid defensive 4C for the next two seasons (after which Draisaitl is a UFA).

I could see two postseason runs and a full regular season of Dowd at $1.3 million being worth a late first rounder. No guarantees of course, just a hunch on my part.
 
Ovechkins Wodka said:
Well with Alzner the team was winning vezna and we were winning president trophies. I guess that was mid
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Maybe they need to sign him out of retirement since he was also clearly responsible for all Ovechkin's goal scoring too?

What an argument... Alzner left in 2017 my guy, if we're making big sweeping statements like this can we also confirm that Alzner isn't a player you can win a cup with?
 
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Don’t be rude. Everyone here would take a prime Alzner in a heartbeat.

Before he got the injury if you could name better shut down defenseman in that time. I would like to see the list because it’s probably very short.
 
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Sell, keep the powder dry, hope Edmonton flames out again and then trade for Draisaitl this summer.

Draisaitl, Strome, Wilson, Lapierre, McMichael, Protas, Miro, and Leonard form up the top-9 for years to come.
 
pman25 said:
Dreger isn’t very good at this so I don’t really believe this connection. But happens every year. Montreal’s spare parts are always hyped up for the trade deadline.

We gotta take a lesson from them and get Dowd and Lindgren floating in the rumor mill to get 1sts for them!


Yea swindled. Threw away a 3rd rounder for a crappy depth defenseman. We had AHLers who can do what he does
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The coach doesn’t appear to agree…

a 3rd and a mighty 7th….I think that equals to about a combined 60% chance for one of them to play 1 NHL game. “Swindle” seems exaggerated….


….he‘s meh, but he brings a known thing consistently….size and physicality. AA doesn’t bring that edge unfortunately. It’s an ok pickup for draft scraps. I mean until they can get more players in as upgrades, which hopefully this guy isn’t around long anyway.
 
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