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CapitalsCupReality said:
If they pay us to take him back, I’m game…
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It looks like he's a UFA again after this season, So he could very well be traded again at the deadline.
Guentzel will be will be a big cap hit if they want to keep him.

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Maybe something like we did with Edmonson last season and trade from him to upgrade picks at the deadline.

Didn't the Habs do this last season and parlayed it into another 1st rounder for just having cap space at the right time

Montreal Canadiens Acquire:​

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Sean Monahan · $6,375,000
2025 1st round pick (CGY) [Conditional]*



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Montreal Canadiens Acquire:
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2024 1st round pick (WPG - #26)
2027 3rd round pick (WPG) [Conditional]*

*Conditions: Montreal receives the 2027 3rd round pick if Winnipeg wins the 2024 Stanley Cup.

Result: Montreal will not receive the 2027 3rd round pick.
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Change: -$1,985,000[/TD]

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Winnipeg Jets Acquire:
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Sean Monahan · $1,985,000
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Ended up with 2 extra 1st rounder for good use of cap space
 
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I do like Reinhart as a player but still think it's smart to wait a year before doing any big-dollar long-term add.

See what Leonard does, see which utes can further elevate thier game (especially if we upgrade D over the summer, and that indirectly helps the offense), and make a smart long term addition through FA or trade next summer to fill out any gap or further elevate strengths.

Caps have an opportunity to curate a stronger, deeper, more balanced lineup with one more year of patience.

I'm neutral on Sundin still - but I'd rather have had Cowan....
 
ArmadilloThumb said:
I do like Reinhart as a player but still think it's smart to wait a year before doing any big-dollar long-term add.

See what Leonard does, see which utes can further elevate thier game (especially if we upgrade D over the summer, and that indirectly helps the offense), and make a smart long term addition through FA or trade next summer to fill out any gap or further elevate strengths.

Caps have an opportunity to curate a stronger, deeper, more balanced lineup with one more year of patience.

I'm neutral on Sundin still - but I'd rather have had Cowan....
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You’re wishing this, but it’s not necessarily true….it also does great disservice to Ovi to not get him some help…..again…..
 
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The more I think about it, the more I like the idea of adding two or three players as opposed to one huge contract. Adding a forward or two and a defenseman would be ideal especially if you get one or both of Oshie LTIRetirement or Jensen/TvR being shipped out. This team needs scoring depth badly. They need scoring depth that’s actually reliable and isn’t going to miss 25+ games a year. They also badly need another defenseman on the level of Orlov/Niskanen who can take minutes from Carlson.

On the coaching front it sounds like Mitch Love and Todd Nelson will stay in the organization next season. The only vacancy left open at the moment is San Jose and neither of those guys were linked to them AFAIK. Only wildcard is Columbus and if Waddle thinks Vincent stinks (he does) and cleans house.

Random “rumor” of the day was some Bleacher Report author linking Marty Berniers to Washington via trade this offseason.
 
CapitalsCupReality said:
You’re wishing this, but it’s not necessarily true….it also does great disservice to Ovi to not get him some help…..again…..
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I've cleared suggested getting Ovi help. My preference is to get him forward help in two phases.

Add say a Tafoli/Marchessault/Stamkos for a year at a premium for one year and then decide on adding a winger based on reasssing things next summer (I'm confident a good amount of help will come from improvement our youth).

We can probably afford to add one of the above at a significant one year premium (especially if we know internally Oshie will go LTIR). We can probably do a serious D add this summer if we move a Dowd/Keumper/Jensen out.

Sounds like Stamkos would probably be the least likely of these, but it sounds like the other two may be plausible candidates.

Getting Ovi an additional ~30 more goals from a FA winger for a year is definitely help. Seriouly upgrading the D at the same time , if possible, also helps Ovi - and the youth, and Chuckie/Stevenson.
 
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AlexBrovechkin8 said:
Yeah this always makes me scratch my head. Vrana is in the AHL and Burky is on his third team. They’ve both been deemed as surplus to requirements by multiple NHL teams. In a different world they’d have developed into the top six wingers we thought we’d get when they were drafted but it didn’t work out that way. Both of them by and large lost their spots on merit, this wasn’t a case of choosing a year of Chara over a guy like Siegenthaler. Burky got beat out by Oshie, Wilson, and Vrana and Vrana didn’t play enough of a two-way game to overtake MJ90. I think even Chandler Stephenson beat him out and played 2LW with Backstrom and Oshie during the Cup run.

Vrana is the one that really hurts. His skill set is exactly what they need right now and his talent level was high enough that he could be our 1LW right now taking some pressure off of Ovi. Much like Kuzy he was his own worst enemy and the Caps had to react accordingly.
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Vrana is the off-ice stuff, and most of that came to a boil after he left Washington. There's always going to be a "what if" scenario with him, but it won't really matter.

I think you're significantly underselling Burakovsky. He's proven himself to be a consistent scoring threat, with a span of four straight seasons at a 60-70 point pace (two of them cut short by COVID, one cut short by injuries). Heck, he won another Stanley Cup after Washington, and had an entirely different playoff campaign in which he had 17 points in 15 playoff games. He finally had a poor year in 2023-24, so it's easy to pile on him a bit now, but that's atypical for how his post-Washington career has been. Just because he got squeezed out of a salary cap jam in Colorado (and did pretty darn well for himself in the process), but it's not because he was a poor performer or someone who wasn't a key ingredient in two Stanley Cup winners.
 
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Tafoli/Marchessault/other - Lappy - Leonard
Ovi - Strome - Miroshnichenko
Milano - CMM - Wilson
Beck - Protas - Sgarbossa/Trineyev

Tafoli/Marchessault/other for a year then you have a better idea if Cristall/Funk will fit in and where, and you can then add/hockey trade for gaps. Maybe upgrade Milano, maybe add a splash long term LW next year.
 
ArmadilloThumb said:
I've cleared suggested getting Ovi help. My preference is to get him forward help in two phases.

Add say a Tafoli/Marchessault/Stamkos for a year at a premium for one year and then decide on adding a winger based on reasssing things next summer (I'm confident a good amount of help will come from improvement our youth).

We can probably afford to add one of the above at a significant one year premium (especially if we know internally Oshie will go LTIR). We can probably do a serious D add this summer if we move a Dowd/Keumper/Jensen out.

Sounds like Stamkos would probably be the least likely of these, but it sounds like the other two may be plausible candidates.

Getting Ovi an additional ~30 more goals from a FA winger for a year is definitely help. Seriouly upgrading the D at the same time , if possible, also helps Ovi - and the youth, and Chuckie/Stevenson.
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Getting any of those dudes on a one year deal is very unlikely.
 
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Getting any of those dudes on a one year is very unlikely.
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Granted, and yes it may be a stretch, but we may be in a position with more buying power than we expect (if we see Oshie to LTIR, and Jensen/Keumper/Dowd out) where we could offer whatever is left after signing our RFAs and possibly upgrading D.

Haven't done the math, but maybe that's enough to grab one of these guys for a year. Depends on demand for these guys, and what each are looking for term wise (maybe one of them doesn't want to play out another 3 or 4 years) and of course, everyone has their price.

Sitting on unused cap space - if we have it - doesn't help Ovi. Nor does taking someone's bad contract for futures. Both Marchessault and Tafoli took home 3.5. What if we have 8 or 9M of space sitting around - is that enough to snag one for a year?
 
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Vrana is the off-ice stuff, and most of that came to a boil after he left Washington. There's always going to be a "what if" scenario with him, but it won't really matter.

I think you're significantly underselling Burakovsky. He's proven himself to be a consistent scoring threat, with a span of four straight seasons at a 60-70 point pace (two of them cut short by COVID, one cut short by injuries). Heck, he won another Stanley Cup after Washington, and had an entirely different playoff campaign in which he had 17 points in 15 playoff games. He finally had a poor year in 2023-24, so it's easy to pile on him a bit now, but that's atypical for how his post-Washington career has been. Just because he got squeezed out of a salary cap jam in Colorado (and did pretty darn well for himself in the process), but it's not because he was a poor performer or someone who wasn't a key ingredient in two Stanley Cup winners.
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The Vrana issues came to a boil after he left but the issues started well before he left. He was kicked off the Czech National Team while in Washington. He clashed with coaches. It’s fair to assume the Caps saw more trouble brewing not related to his on-ice performance and wanted to get out from under it while they still could.

I’m not underselling Burky but what part of what I said isn’t true? He asked to be traded since he wanted a top six spot and failed to earn one here. Why is that on MacLellan? Maybe he could have gotten a better return but a 2nd and a 3rd for him seemed pretty fair at the time.

Both players would be extremely useful for the team as currently constructed, both didn’t work out for one reason or another when they were here. Both didn’t stick with their next team (or teams) as well for various reasons.
 
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In terms of FA who we could get on short deals for big money, what about Kane? I have no clue what he's thinking, but he hasn't re-signed with Detroit.
 
ArmadilloThumb said:
Granted, and yes it may be a stretch, but we may be in a position with more buying power than we expect (if we see Oshie to LTIR, and Jensen/Keumper/Dowd out) where we could offer whatever is left after signing our RFAs and possibly upgrading D.

Haven't done the math, but maybe that's enough to grab one of these guys for a year. Depends on demand for these guys, and what each are looking for term wise (maybe one of them doesn't want to play out another 3 or 4 years) and of course, everyone has their price.

Sitting on unused cap space - if we have it - doesn't help Ovi. Nor does taking someone's bad contract for futures. Both Marchessault and Tafoli took home 3.5. What if we have 8 or 9M of space sitting around - is that enough to snag one for a year?
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I'm fine with signing people short-term, but my guess is that Toffoli and Marchessault are both going to be looking for their last big long-term deal (especially Toffoli who has bounced around a TON the past few seasons - 5 new teams since he started the 2019-20 season with LA)

To me, helping Ovi means you don't strip mine the team a la 03-04, but I draw the line at mortgaging the future to maybe, if all goes perfectly, make the second round in 24-25.
 
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I'm fine with signing people short-term, but my guess is that Toffoli and Marchessault are both going to be looking for their last big long-term deal...
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And I don't disagree. Not likely, but always a possibility.

Hopefully y'all can tolerate my spitballin'. I'm sure GMBM and staff throw around all sort of what-ifs. I would love to hear all the real stories with what goes down in GM offices and on the phone.

I suppose "They want the Swede (wink)" is only the tip of the iceberg... 😀
 
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And I don't disagree. Not likely, but always a possibility.

Hopefully y'all can tolerate my spitballin'. I'm sure GMBM and staff throw around all sort of what-ifs. I would love to hear all the real stories with what goes down in GM offices and on the phone.

I suppose "They want the Swede (wink)" is only the tip of the iceberg... 😀
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Toffoli and Marchessault could be had on 3-5 year deals. Both guys put the puck in the net.

Both those guys should be considered targets.
 
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Can't wait for everyone's excitement when we sign another physical third pairing defender to play with Carlson, a reclamation project in his mid 20s to play on the second line and take a cap dump for a pick who's lazy but can put up points to play with Ovi. Typical BMac summer of fulfilled promises! We added two top six players and a top four defender guyz!!! We did it! BMac!!! *chefkiss*
 
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There just isn’t a lot of room to bring in three players. Depends on Miro, Oshie, and Leonard. If all three are on active roster then you can MAYBE bring in one player.

I think a veteran scorer on 2-4 year deal (i.e. Stamkos or Marshachault) should be prioritized over playing Miro in NHL. He can be a callup which history shows we will need.

Secondly, we need a 2RD. We need offense from blue line. but someone sturdy as well. Monteur would be good but i don’t think FL will let him walk. Reinhart is more likely to truly be a FA.

I wouldn’t mess with goalies this year.
 
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