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Speculation: Caps Roster General Discussion (Coaching/FAs/Cap/Lines etc) - 2022-23 Season Part 3: Drop the puck!
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SecretaryofDefense5
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I hope Gus and Carlson isn’t a thing after tonight because NJ is going to have a field day if that is the case.
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Capitals have played 20 games, come March 3, 2023 the day of the TDL, by my math they'll be at 63 games, thus 19 games remaining after the TDL.
I definitely want to see an entire coaching change, but not sure that it needs to happen during the season. Come the off season two potential head coaches that come to mind that both have a connection with the organization will be Spencer Carbery and Jeff Halpern.
As far as the pending UFAs (Eller, Hathaway, Sheary, MOJO, NAK, Milano, Brown, Hagelin, Orlov, Jensen, TVR, Gustafsson, Irwin) there are a few that I would like to see them resign, namely Orlov and Jensen on D and perhaps TVR and Gustafsson if salary is near what they currently make if possible. Among the forwards it would be Sheary and Brown that I'd be interested in seeing back and maybe Milano. All the others can go.
Also would like to see the Caps trade Mantha and Carlson, by eating some of there salary it may increase the return a bit.
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Halpern intrigues me…
Zero chance we should retain on Carlson/Mantha…poverty franchise moves….not yet.
Zero chance we should retain on Carlson/Mantha…poverty franchise moves….not yet.
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Probably wouldn’t even be here if he wasn’t coming off injury and not waiver exempt…..so yes.
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I think AA is still hurt, but even if he isn't that isn't worst part of the lineups from Lavi. It's entirely that he just keeps using the same players and rotating them in different spots expecting anything to change. I have no believe AA will see meaningful game unless forced,
Which is dumb. The team is getting blasted, lost the last 4 with an average of 5 goals a game giving up while only scoring 2.25. Maybe actually change it up...?
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I think if Ryan Reaves is worth a 5th, Hathaway can yield a 3rd, maybe better if you package him with a little more. He's certainly not the physical presence Reaves is, but he can actually play hockey really well.
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twabby
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If retention leads to a better return then they should consider it. Doesn’t make them a poverty franchise to squeeze other teams who are tight against the cap.
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Poverty as F….Buying draft picks or paying to rid yourself of guys….F that. I would retain for this year only….zero chance I’d want that crap on my payroll next year or beyond.
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I mean there’s certainly a price you’d accept right? They shouldn’t dismiss the idea of retention for multiple years out of hand is all I’m saying, though I generally agree that I doubt there is a price a team would pay that makes sense for both sides.
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It makes a whole lot of sense.
There’s a good chance both guys are gone this offseason, it’s quite a weak group of UFA defensemen this year.
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Agreed. retaining salary for several years is hardly ever worth it. Cap space is also incredibly valuable these days. Look at the guys that were traded for basically nothing this summer and last summer... Buchnevich, Bjorkstrand and guys like that.
If someone wants to go crazy and the only way to fit, say, Mantha in is by retaining salary then that's fine. But even that one additional year or retained salary should come at a crazy-high price. Say the Avs call you and they just have to have Mantha at 50% then it's fine as long as Byram is coming back.
That being said there needs to be some serious long-term thinking on the way really soon between now and the deadline. There are tons of assets with expiring contracts and they need to make some kind of a plan on who to keep and what to do with guys you know you aren't keeping. Even if it's plan B behind the actual plan of holding on to dear life for as close to Playoff spot as possible before injured guys start coming back. There are 8 forward UFA's and 5 UFA D's that can bring back some of the picks they've wasted and they have all their 3 salary retention slots to use here. They need to maximize the value coming back at the TDL if they end up being the sellers. I would hope Orlov is one of the guys staying here but at the latest at deadline they should have pretty good idea of what he's asking and whether they want to commit to that. I propably would unless the ask is ridiculous because he's the guy they can't afford to lose here. It's only my opinion but i would seriously gauge what Jensen @ 50% and Eller @ 50% would bring back at the deadline. They are both the kind of pieces contenders want to add for their Playoff runs. They should bring back really good returns and i propably wouldn't want to commit to either one long-term in the summer. Jensen will be 33 when the next season begins and Eller 34. I wouldn't mind bringing either back on short-term deals but let's face it, that's not really an option. Or the best way for that to happen is by shipping them out at the deadline and if they fail badly and tank their value, they could come back for cheap. In terms of the 3rd slot, it's a no-brainer to use it on Orlov if they for some reason decide that they can't re-sign him. He would return a haul @ 50%. I think a guy like Sheary or Hathaway in the best-case scenario return a 2nd round pick with some retention. I wouldn't really be opposed to keeping them though.
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trick9
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That's the point.
Retaining nearly 3 million per season for this and next shouldn't come at anything less than an absurd price.
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Forsythe doesn't take advantage of Mantha's shot ability from the right side, so I'm gonna say Mantha is underutilized by the coaches.
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this is a big part of it. we traded jakub vrana, a first, a second (although that was realistically just used to dump panik) for a player who’s getting third line and no/minimal powerplay/pk time vs marcus johansson and conor sheary who are getting top 6 + power play time
Things look a bit different now that they have won 2. But not that much. Almost regardless, the Caps won’t be moving people until closer to the deadline And they see exactly where they are at. So fun the play the GM game 40 games before the deadline, but a lot is going to change between now and then. If we are clearly out come mid-February then I am all for selling off pending UFA’s. But if we are in the hunt, it is highly likely we don’t move any of them. OV wants to play in the playoffs and Ted/GMBM will give him that chance which I am OK With.
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Evolving-Hockey.com | RAPM Skater Tables
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Mantha still rates as their second best playdriver as measured by RAPM. Behind Protas. They need to find a way to get them both more time, ahead of guys like Sheary and Johansson. I couldn’t care less that Mantha doesn’t hit, but he needs more ice time to produce. I still suspect he’d be better as a top 6 complementary player rather than skating alongside Lars Eller and Marcus Johansson, two of the least creative players on the team.
Strome also acquitting himself very nicely as a playdriver. It appears the “he stinks defensively and can’t skate!” complaints from Chicago fans have been at best drastically overstated.
Fehervary has really turned it around defensively in terms of playdriving, but at the expense of any offense.
Carlson is still in la la land.
Ovechkin and Kuznetsov both generate offense but are defense-optional so far. They typically outshoot their playdriving metrics but it’d be nice to have a better two-way player on their wing. Mantha and Protas both fit this bill.
Mantha looking healthy and having less of impact than Milano should be a question surely.
he doesn't look like post Ovi core piece too.
the writing is on the wall.
he doesn't look like post Ovi core piece too.
the writing is on the wall.
twabby
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Milano is 16th in the NHL in points/60 at 5v5. Very few people have had his impact so far!
I don’t disagree that Mantha’s acquisition has been disappointing so far, but I still am not sure how much of that is his utilization vs. his individual play. I’m with others in saying he needs PP1 time. He’s actually Washington’s third most productive goal scorer at 5v5 on a per 60 basis, behind only Milano and Sheary. If and when the PP begins to struggle again I wouldn’t hesitate replacing Kuznetsov or Johansson with Mantha.
To me this is not hard. You have five clear top six forwards in Ovi, Kuzy, Strome, Milano, and Mantha. Pick your fighter between Oshie, Sheary, Protas, and Johansson for the final wing slot but those five should always be in the top six. I’d go with:
Ovechkin-Strome-Sheary
Milano-Kuznetsov-Mantha
Protas-Eller-Oshie
Johansson-Dowd-Hathaway
You can rotate Sheary, Oshie, Protas, and maybe MoJo in at the 1RW spot depending on the opponent and situation but there is no reason Mantha should not be playing with guys who will benefit from his skill set. A Milano-Kuznetsov-Mantha like would be really creative offensively.
Ovechkin-Strome-Sheary
Milano-Kuznetsov-Mantha
Protas-Eller-Oshie
Johansson-Dowd-Hathaway
You can rotate Sheary, Oshie, Protas, and maybe MoJo in at the 1RW spot depending on the opponent and situation but there is no reason Mantha should not be playing with guys who will benefit from his skill set. A Milano-Kuznetsov-Mantha like would be really creative offensively.
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