Speculation: Caps Roster General Discussion (Coaching/FAs/Cap/Lines etc) - 2022-23 Season Part 3: Drop the puck!

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It was mentioned earlier but I can’t believe I forgot Andrew Brunette as a potential coaching option.

Not a ton of experience and I wasn’t a fan of how the Panthers performed last postseason but between last year’s regular season with the Panthers and this year’s version of the Devils it’s hard not to at least consider him. Also has ties to the Capitals organization though I don’t think that should matter.
 

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This season is on Lavi’s poor personnel management. Like Trotz, his insistence on playing aging-underperforming Vets, not rewarding the good performance of the younger players, and not firing Forsythe, was the team’s downfall. Most of the players tuned him out over a month ago.

Would be interested in seeing how people like Mantha and Kuzy perform under a different coach and system. Give them a month and if they’re still sucking, jettison their useless cargo.
I mean, Mantha has been misused since the day he arrived here, so yeah, maybe. Though if he's gone come September I won't be at all sad. But Kuzy? How many times does he get to reboot under a new coach? I would absolutely love to see him regain his form and be a dominant performer, but other than 2018, has he ever really been a difference maker? Is it even worth the risk?



I know Kuzy has been bad, I didn't think this would rank him lower then Backstrom though.

not at all surprised by that. Backstrom has been really bad this year, but he's a HOF talent with the work ethic to go with it. Kuzy... isn't.
 

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I mean, Mantha has been misused since the day he arrived here, so yeah, maybe. Though if he's gone come September I won't be at all sad. But Kuzy? How many times does he get to reboot under a new coach? I would absolutely love to see him regain his form and be a dominant performer, but other than 2018, has he ever really been a difference maker? Is it even worth the risk?

If both Mantha and Kuzy were to evaporate into the vaccuous ether of suck they have created this year, I wouldn't even blink. My og post was mostly about what I 'think' the GM is contemplating. He's basically stuck with them at low value for another year. Why not try to bolster their value next season? Don't think either deserve another chance, but I don't see any teams eating Mantha's contract based on this year's performance. Kuzy could be someone's reclamation project, so there's hope.
 
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Out of the other 31 GMs in the league, who do you choose over GMBM? Can anyone name even 5 guys they would without a doubt choose to run the organization? His drafting has been terrible and he has to own that, but his pro scouting, and trades have generally been wins since he's been in charge. His contracts have generally been market value as well. He seems to have his finger on the pulse of the team in regards to needs. He waited a little too long to address the goal tending situation but I believe he is going to shrewdly retool us. I don't know if it will actually work but if you look at his moves leading up to where we are, it's hard to be upset. Do you take Don Sweeney? Yzerman? I'd take Sakic and JBB over GMBM but that's probably it. All successful GMs make mistakes and questionable decisions.

Finding Strome and Milano for free and signing them to solid contracts were great moves, both are still fairly young and should be here for the next 5 or so years. Trading for Sandin who is here for the long-term future looks to be a great move as well. I'm fine with NAK being our 4th line winger for the forseeable future too. These are minor moves, but these guys can all contribute on a deep playoff team. It's the "stars" who need to carry their own weight.

If Wilson re-signs and gets back to form then we have two top line wingers. If you run Ovi-Strome-Milano, I'd really like to trade for Debrincat or Ehlers with some of our capital, if we get someone like those guys then maybe you run Debrincat/Ehlers-Backstrom-Wilson, third line sign someon like Zucker-CMM-TJ Oshie, then bottom line of Protas-Dowd-NAK. Obviously Mantha and Kuzy are gone along with our first round pick probably. Defense is fine and goal tending is fine. I just know Backstrom and Oshie cannot be on the same line and that creates a problem, because unless Backstrom can regain *some* of his speed he has no business being on the second line.

I remember a few here decrying Backstroms contract when it was given out, but the majority of us generally accepted the fact that he deserved it. TJ Oshie's term is terrible but the cap hit isn't *that* bad. We all know they are currently anchors and will continue to do so, and I wish they would LTIR, but it is what it is. We don't win a Cup without them. I remember having conversations where some of our loved ones never got to see them win a championship despite being lifelong fans. I want to see this team win and compete and I always will, but I am grateful to these players who have sacrificed their health and quality of life to some extent for our entertainment.
your ideas sound good but has ottawa or winnepeg said they arent resigning/keeping these players. there are plenty of players in the league that would drastically improve the team but I doubt 99% of them are available. Now the GM being let go is a much more likely scenario then aquiring prime players that every team wants. I would prefer what your saying and the caps aquire prime players. Not sure how you can rate GMs but if you want to take the most negative view possible of GMBM he got lucky that his team caught lightning in a bottle for 24 games 5 years ago. While they had all kinds of regular season success, the team has gone beyond the first round 3 times in his almost 10 years, 2 of which the team lost in the 2nd round. Hes made some good trades and some bad ones but if the measuring stick is how far you go in the playoffs each year?
 

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It was mentioned earlier but I can’t believe I forgot Andrew Brunette as a potential coaching option.

Not a ton of experience and I wasn’t a fan of how the Panthers performed last postseason but between last year’s regular season with the Panthers and this year’s version of the Devils it’s hard not to at least consider him. Also has ties to the Capitals organization though I don’t think that should matter.
he should go to calgary to save that Huberdeau contract!
 

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I mean, Mantha has been misused since the day he arrived here, so yeah, maybe. Though if he's gone come September I won't be at all sad. But Kuzy? How many times does he get to reboot under a new coach? I would absolutely love to see him regain his form and be a dominant performer, but other than 2018, has he ever really been a difference maker? Is it even worth the risk?
Bleh.

Mantha has had plenty of time in the top 6 and has had the opportunity to play along very good players in Kuznetsov, Backstrom, Strome, Ovie, Oshie, Wilson, etc.

Mantha got every opportunity to succeed here.
 

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Bleh.

Mantha has had plenty of time in the top 6 and has had the opportunity to play along very good players in Kuznetsov, Backstrom, Strome, Ovie, Oshie, Wilson, etc.

Mantha got every opportunity to succeed here.
This is just provably false. His most common linemate for almost his entire tenure has been the husk of Lars Eller. He's played a total of 61 minutes and 4 seconds with Ovi at evens and 97 minutes and 39 seconds with Strome. The one line people were begging for during the big injury period, with Ovi - Strome - Mantha has played 22 minutes together all year.

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The hate of Mantha has just fully gone into absurdity now. It's like people seriously think like he doesn't even deserve to be an NHLer. Even so far as to call Kuzya or Backstrom good players right now.
 

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This is just provably false. His most common linemate for almost his entire tenure has been the husk of Lars Eller. He's played a total of 61 minutes and 4 seconds with Ovi at evens and 97 minutes and 39 seconds with Strome. The one line people were begging for during the big injury period, with Ovi - Strome - Mantha has played 22 minutes together all year.

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The hate of Mantha has just fully gone into absurdity now. It's like people seriously think like he doesn't even deserve to be an NHLer. Even so far as to call Kuzya or Backstrom good players right now.
He’s been here for more than one season. And he’s been a disappointment for all three.

Even when he looks okay, it’s not backed up by production.

No I don’t hate Mantha, but I know he sucks at an NHL level. As did Red Wings fans.
 
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Those other 51 games. Still nothing with Ovi or a slightly more engaged Kuznetsov. Still lots of Lars Eller and bottom 6 lines.
Mantha is the worst player in many of these combinations.

It seems he doesn’t have the ability to fit into any line or develop chemistry. Because it’s hard to play with an inconsistent floater.
 
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This is just provably false. His most common linemate for almost his entire tenure has been the husk of Lars Eller. He's played a total of 61 minutes and 4 seconds with Ovi at evens and 97 minutes and 39 seconds with Strome. The one line people were begging for during the big injury period, with Ovi - Strome - Mantha has played 22 minutes together all year.

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The hate of Mantha has just fully gone into absurdity now. It's like people seriously think like he doesn't even deserve to be an NHLer. Even so far as to call Kuzya or Backstrom good players right now.

How did he perform in these minutes? How has he been on the pp?
 

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How did he perform in these minutes? How has he been on the pp?
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The Ovi lines they got shelled, but with such short minutes (and no idea what games they might be) it's hard to draw many conclusions. For his long term lines, as much as I shit on Eller (and people love to shit on Mantha) those lines drove shots for and, at least 4 of the 5, scored more then they were scored on.

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But that's still ignoring the context of how he was used. Like I said earlier in the season, before the benchings while Mantha was on a tear of play but didn't have many points to show for it, the coaching staff was trying to use a Ferrari to plow fields.
 
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Given his contract and inconsistency, and any other relevant factors (ie the seeming desire to still remain competitive with Ovi), what would be considered an "acceptable" return for Kuznetsov in you guys' minds?

Also partially asking because I'm controlling the Caps in a mock draft and have no idea how to value him... lol
 

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what would be considered an "acceptable" return for Kuznetsov in you guys' minds?
I don't think anyone's really gonna know. The opinions can vary wildly from potential elite 1C to probably a guy who should be eating healthy scratches.

I personally think at worst he's a solid to good 2C, and that has value around the league. I think the Horvat trade feels close to what I'd expect, just due to him being a center bumping his value some. But I'm not sure that is the return he'll get.
 

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I don't think anyone's really gonna know. The opinions can vary wildly from potential elite 1C to probably a guy who should be eating healthy scratches.

I personally think at worst he's a solid to good 2C, and that has value around the league. I think the Horvat trade feels close to what I'd expect, just due to him being a center bumping his value some. But I'm not sure that is the return he'll get.
Too inconsistent to be labled a first line center. Point totals also do not indicate that either. Lets face it. He never fully lived up to his potential but we had 2018 so who cares.

I also would not compare this to the Horvat trade. He was on fire when he got traded, something like 30+ goals in under 50 games. But for some reason he sucks on the Isles now lol
 

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I don’t know how AHL scoring chance numbers translate to NHL success, but I’d say this is good. The way I see it is McMichael either needs to be with the big club next year or he needs to be traded for an NHL upgrade. Another year in the AHL seems pointless.
 

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I don’t know how AHL scoring chance numbers translate to NHL success, but I’d say this is good. The way I see it is McMichael either needs to be with the big club next year or he needs to be traded for an NHL upgrade. Another year in the AHL seems pointless.

Aside from Mantha, Lavi’s handling of McMichael has been the most frustrating. This kid is a good (and maybe really good) hockey player who couldn’t find his scoring touch but did everything else well. I wouldn’t be opposed to rolling with him as 2C and using resources to bring in two new top six wingers.

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Aside from Mantha, Lavi’s handling of McMichael has been the most frustrating. This kid is a good (and maybe really good) hockey player who couldn’t find his scoring touch but did everything else well. I wouldn’t be opposed to rolling with him as 2C and using resources to bring in two new top six wingers.

Ovi-Strome-xx
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Protas-Dowd-NAK

It was especially frustrating because it’s not like the vets were performing well at center and beat out McMichael for the spot.

You can make the case that McMichael and Protas both deserved playing time over 3 centers that are/were mainstays in the lineup this season. But instead of getting a full year of NHL development out of these guys we got Kuznetsov who was in la la land all year, the corpse of Nicklas Backstrom, and a declining and halfway out the door version of Lars Eller.
 
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