Speculation: Caps Roster General Discussion (Coaching/FAs/Cap/Lines etc) - 2022-23 Season Part 3: Drop the puck!

[Misery74]

Sure, maybe the 1,000th time this is explained by me and others will sink in and you'll stop saying the same things over and over again.

I'll get right on my essay.

brb

Well, here’s the problem. If he knew they would be terrible, why sign an aging goaltender for 5 years?

Please add that to your essay.

 

[YippieKaey]

Ovi-Strome-Wilson
Kuzy-Backstrom-Milano
Snively-CMM-Brown
Protas-Dowd-NAK

Fever-Carlson
Sandin-Jensen
Alexeyev/McIlrath-TVR
Johansen

PP1: Ovi-Kuzy-Bäckström-Wilson(bumper)-Carlson
PP2: Snively-Strome-CMM-Dowd (bumper)-Sandin

PK1: Dowd-Brown-TvR-AA/Mcilrath
PK2: Protas-NAK-Fever-Jensen

Made some changes i'd wanna see. I traded/LTIRed Oshie. No

 

[Empty Goal Net]

In terms of draft-time or summertime acquisitions, there will be some teams needing to deal decent players due to cap constraints - in much the same way BMac had to move guys like Mojo (the first time) and Siegs. Those teams won't be able to take on a Mantha, but they may have a decent player to give up for a mid-round future pick and an AHL'er.

 

[Langway]

What they need to do is make the decision of what to do with Kuznetsov and Mantha. If you trade either one you are likely to lose that trade. Mantha has been a bad fit and there maybe a way to move him in the summer if someone wants to take a flier but does GMBM want to dump him for next to nothing? That does leave a stain in his resume.

A swap could make sense but I doubt MacLellan cares about losing face. They gave it a shot. It just hasn't worked out. Maybe they add CMM/Lapierre to get Dubois given his contract situation and Winnipeg's general inability to attract UFAs. He could potentially walk to UFA in a year and seemingly has little taste for extending. That's a main one to watch in the off-season you'd think, even if there's been so much smoke about him wanting to play for MTL.

Either way I'm not sure they'd lose a Mantha trade necessarily. They likely won't want to pay up to dump him but there are scenarios where adding a player with one year remaining could be appealing to rebuilding teams or those that struggle to attract UFAs. Dumping him for a mid-rounder to use that salary in UFA maybe wouldn't look great but if they believe there are better fits to be had that would be the driving logic. In terms of absolute ceiling maybe they'd downgrade one-for-one but presumably it would be a faster, more dogged and determined player at least. And at some point the theoretical ceiling doesn't even matter given how rarely he steps up.

 

[Portable Mink]

With the Caps most likely to win the lottery - we will have Bedard up front which should help immediately.

Tampa won in 04 with some sketchy older guys but also a group of young guys all on entry deals far exceeding their worth at the time.

Welcome aboard Bedard!

 

[Ovechkins Wodka]

With the Caps most likely to win the lottery - we will have Bedard up front which should help immediately.

Tampa won in 04 with some sketchy older guys but also a group of young guys all on entry deals far exceeding their worth at the time.

Welcome aboard Bedard!

3% chance as of today. Ill like to go gambling with you lol

 

[SecretaryofDefense5]

GMBM should trade Sheary so the poor guy doesn’t have to fly all the way back out to Anaheim.

 

[g00n]

Well, here’s the problem. If he knew they would be terrible, why sign an aging goaltender for 5 years?

Please add that to your essay.

Wait, what?

You think the DK deal is bad?

Why do you keep saying he knew they would be terrible. Nobody said that.

Do you understand how options and contracts work?

 

[Ovechkins Wodka]

GMBM should trade Sheary so the poor guy doesn’t have to fly all the way back out to Anaheim.

I dont think he ever comes back from his "illness"

 

[Brian23]

The flip side to this is he almost always adds fairly middling role players at full price instead of striking a diamond in the rough on a player with potential high end skill but potential holes as well

This is absolutely ridiculous.



He routinely strikes diamonds in the rough who provide much more then their cap hit. The problem with this team has entirely been the guys who're "core" with massive cap hits providing less then what they're paid. Hell, this year a lot of our depth has actually been elite and it doesn't matter because the core has been so bad.

When you can't trade those guys, there's only so much you can do.

 

[895]

This is absolutely ridiculous.



He routinely strikes diamonds in the rough who provide much more then their cap hit. The problem with this team has entirely been the guys who're "core" with massive cap hits providing less then what they're paid. Hell, this year a lot of our depth has actually been elite and it doesn't matter because the core has been so bad.

When you can't trade those guys, there's only so much you can do.

Finding diamonds in the rough is not as hard as you think. He's found a few but he has also given up his fair share.

Is there any evidence GMBM is finding these gems at a higher rate than other GMs?

You can go on the roster of every single team in the league and find guys making less than what they deserve. You will always find guys making more and making about what they deserve. That's just how numbers work.

 

[ClevelandCapsfan]

HFCaps: ZOMG! GMBM HAS NO IDEA WHAT HE'S DOING! FIRE EVERYONE!!!

g00n: Relax. He has a plan. The contracts all expire this year for a reason. It's not a coincidence. If they're sucking by the TDL he'll start moving UFAs and retooling.

HFCaps: YOU DON'T KNOW THAT! MANAGEMENT SUCK UP! DOOM!!!

*Caps nosedive...TDL approaches*

Full of oneself, aren’t we?

 

[g00n]

"Finding diamonds in the rough is not as hard as you think."

Full of oneself, aren’t we?

If I had to read thousands of whiny shitposts and deal with countless personal attacks and PMs over the past months and years you can tough it out through one atodaso, bro.

 

[895]

"Finding diamonds in the rough is not as hard as you think."

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If I had to read thousands of whiny shitposts and deal with countless personal attacks and PMs over the past months and years you can tough it out through one atodaso, bro.

The point is they aren't diamonds in the rough. They were just underpaid players. Every team has them.

Also dude, for you to pretend to be the victim of personal attacks and harassment...lmao. You are the most confrontational poster here.

 

[EroCaps]

Michkov has the tools to be a superstar if he can iron out a wrinkle or two in his game. As in, best Russian player since Ovechkin and Malkin.

The talent, poise, anticipation are all 1A material.

If Wash could someone pull him out of a hat at the draft they’d be on the fast track.

 

[895]

Michkov has the tools to be a superstar if he can iron out a wrinkle or two in his game. As in, best Russian player since Ovechkin and Malkin.

The talent, poise, anticipation are all 1A material.

If Wash could someone pull him out of a hat at the draft they’d be on the fast track.

With the whole situation with Russia, I wonder if Michkov shouldn't try to force his way onto a Russian friendly team like Washington. Like publicly declare he won't play for any team that drafts him. Plus I'm sure there are some caps fans at the state department in case things get harder for Russians to come here.

 

[g00n]

The point is they aren't diamonds in the rough. They were just underpaid players. Every team has them.

Also dude, for you to pretend to be the victim of personal attacks and harassment...lmao. You are the most confrontational poster here.

Confronting and challenging people for what they say isn't the same as outright attacking someone personally just because you disagree with them.

And that's fine, I'm not complaining. I'm just saying if you all are going to constantly bitch and whine that everyone sucks while demanding everyone be fired all the time, and then come at anyone who disagrees with you while calling them a delusional management stooge, I'm going to rub your noses in shit when I'm right and you're wrong.

 

[895]

Confronting and challenging people for what they say isn't the same as outright attacking someone personally just because you disagree with them.

And that's fine, I'm not complaining. I'm just saying if you all are going to constantly bitch and whine that everyone sucks while demanding everyone be fired all the time, and then come at anyone who disagrees with you while calling them a delusional management stooge, I'm going to rub your noses in shit when I'm right and you're wrong.

What have you been right about exactly?

 

[g00n]

What have you been right about exactly?

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[Brian23]

Finding diamonds in the rough is not as hard as you think. He's found a few but he has also given up his fair share.

Moving the goal posts doesn't change that he's excelled at bringing in depth pieces that have been striking above their weight limit. Trying to minimize that or act like it's not a big deal is completely ridiculous and just plain criticisms not rooted in reality.

His teams have been elite at getting value out of their depth pieces. That isn't easy, nor is it something every team has done.

 

[895]

Moving the goal posts doesn't change that he's excelled at bringing in depth pieces that have been striking above their weight limit. Trying to minimize that or act like it's not a big deal is completely ridiculous and just plain criticisms not rooted in reality.

His teams have been elite at getting value out of their depth pieces. That isn't easy, nor is it something every team has done.

Putting on my g00n hat for a second

You made the claim that GMBM finds underpaid players at a higher rate than league average. You prove it.

 

[Brian23]

Putting on my g00n hat for a second

You made the claim that GMBM finds underpaid players at a higher rate than league average. You prove it.

Actually no, I didn't. You claimed finding diamonds in the rough wasn't difficult, which is a ridiculous point. I stated that GMBM has been elite at getting value out of his depth adds and linked a tweet showing the elite depth adds he's made (not even all of them). And, also putting on my goon hat, I'll say this.

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[twabby]

I want a g00n hat

 

[895]

Actually no, I didn't. You claimed finding diamonds in the rough wasn't difficult, which is a ridiculous point. I stated that GMBM has been elite at getting value out of his depth adds. And, also putting on my goon hat, I'll say this.

Scroll up.

It's true that finding underpaid players isn't that difficult. Every team has them. By definition. Because for every player that is overpaid there has to be a player that's underpaid. Otherwise that player wouldn't be overpaid.

Finding a list of underpaid players he found doesn't mean anything because you could do the same for every single GM in the league. If you want to say GMBM is elite at this, you need some comparison points don't you think?

 

[g00n]

I want a g00n hat

They're easy to DIY! Just find anything blood red, or with devil horns or skulls on it, and make sure the hatband is adjustable to allow for head swelling.