Speculation: Caps Roster General Discussion (Coaching/FAs/Cap/Lines etc) - 2022-23 Season Part 3: Drop the puck!

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I wonder if he’s not nursing an injury. He was playing well enough that Lavi promoted him to a top six role and his play promptly has fallen off a cliff. As someone who thinks he was a fairly solid and under appreciated player I have no problem admitting that he’s been abysmal the past few weeks.

Still, the trade deadline is two months away. Guys could get injured or Backstrom’s awesome story could easily have a short and unhappy ending if his hip doesn’t hold up and then there’s a need for him again.
Not a bad take at all. Didn’t really think about that, but certainly a possibility. We have plenty of time before the deadline and more injuries will occur, so having this depth right now is great!

I think they should go D but I’m not sure I’d limit it to RD.

Assuming Carlson is back for the postseason I see 5 spots that are currently locked up: Carlson, Gustafsson, Orlov, Jensen, and TVR.

Fehervary has shown some improvement defensively but his offensive playdriving has suffered greatly as a result. For a team that is desperate for offense in the postseason I think it would be wise to look for an upgrade over him in the lineup.

I said it before but I think Shayne Gostisbehere is the guy they should realistically target. He’s very good at driving play offensively at 5v5, he sports the best penalty differential WAR over the past 3 years along with Cale Makar, and he’s capable of playing top 4 minutes and the PP in case of injury. He’s also versatile enough to play LD or RD, which seems like a useful thing for a team likely to be without Carlson until the postseason. And as mentioned earlier if for whatever reason they can’t come to terms with Orlov or Gustafsson for new contracts they’d have the inside track on signing Gostisbehere.
I just think most coaches (particularly McCarthy) like to play dee on their correct side. Carlson likely out till March (reading into that a bit based on what is published) and that is a long way to go without a 3RD who is right handed. When JC74 comes back, TVR and Fever can fight for 3LD but you have depth.

That said, I would love is AA can lock down 3RD and that might change my mind.
 
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The mantha scratch is great news. It sends a message to that loafer. Im really interested in what they do with the lines and power play.
 

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Mantha does do small things right and is pretty good with puckbattles but largely his goals are in blowouts I feel like
 

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Mantha does do small things right and is pretty good with puckbattles but largely his goals are in blowouts I feel like

He's a chemistry player; tends to play his best with talent around him. 3rd and 4th-line deployments weren't going to "fix" him. It's ultimately on him to win the coach over, but his underlying metrics don't support the idea that he's terrible or not trying. And if Eller can have stretches of games that are similarly brutal (sometimes in more egregious ways) yet apparently not suffer similar consequences, you gotta wonder if there's something deeper going on.

They wouldn't be tight-lipped about an injury. Maybe Mantha's not taking it well. *shrug* It's a bummer.
 
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The Weagle is the W-Eagle - this thing:

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It’s a 90s slug logo like the one Buffalo had. I hate it.
 

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It’s a 90s slug logo like the one Buffalo had. I hate it.

I just hate the whole third jersey thing; not a fan of the "cash grab" vibe. Even a little more so with the Caps because of the "Rock the Red!" campaign they pushed and the fans really bought into. And now the crowd is decked out in red and our guys are showing up in blue and black. Pffft.

So if they're gonna wear an alternate celebrating a past design...

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I think i am happy that Snively cleared waivers. There just isn’t going to be enough ice time to go around for the Bears. And Snicely counts as an NHL contract. I am excited to see him play again though. He too needs to find his scoring touch again.

Cleared as easily predicted….
I don’t know that it was an easy prediction. But i did think he would clear since he has a one-way contract through next year.
 

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The Mantha scratch is so dumb. It's like getting mad your sports car isn't doing well in dirt rally racing, so you start trying to go mudding with it and wonder why it sucks.

Just an awful deployment all year.
 

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I think i am happy that Snively cleared waivers. There just isn’t going to be enough ice time to go around for the Bears. And Snicely counts as an NHL contract. I am excited to see him play again though. He too needs to find his scoring touch again.


I don’t know that it was an easy prediction. But i did think he would clear since he has a one-way contract through next year.
I predicted it quite easily thanks. ;)
 

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I'm not even sure why they would trade for Mantha if he wasnt ever going to fit in Lavi's system.

At the end of the day, he is just not producing. And even when he played with talented linemates, he wasn't producing. It's more than just not hustling. The production isn't there, esp when you consider the expectation.
 

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The Mantha scratch is so dumb. It's like getting mad your sports car isn't doing well in dirt rally racing, so you start trying to go mudding with it and wonder why it sucks.

Just an awful deployment all year.
agree with your premise, but maybe it’s just a one-game wakeTF up scratch. I’m good with those motivational tactics at times.
 

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I'm not even sure why they would trade for Mantha if he wasnt ever going to fit in Lavi's system.

At the end of the day, he is just not producing. And even when he played with talented linemates, he wasn't producing. It's more than just not hustling. The production isn't there, esp when you consider the expectation.
He should have fit. Big body. Talented. Pretty responsible in his own end, but clearly not doing the things he needs to do to stay in the lineup for the Caps. We have a lot of top 6 talent. And the top 9 is playing better than Mantha. It’s pretty simple.

What is encouraging about this, is that Lavi, with the depth that he now has, isn’t afraid to sit a big contract and marquis player. This should lead to more let the best 12 Forwards dress.

We can afford his cap hit, so that increases value for trade. We don’t need to trade him. But we can if the right offer comes along. So don’t settle GMBM. Get some value. Right Dee please though. :)
 
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At the end of the day, he is just not producing.

That's the thing. For a guy that only sees even strength time, his metrics are good. Twabby can elaborate if he wants, cuz the fancy stats sites give me dry heaves. ;)

And even when he played with talented linemates, he wasn't producing.

Same thing. He flies under the radar at evens like Connolly did a while back. The numbers are there, just not at a 5.7m clip. Without knowing what's going on behind the scenes (because there could be some big behavioral/personality clash thing with the coaches or whatever), the choice is to either positively reinforce the things that are working and showing up on the stat sheet and metric sites or punish for the things that aren't working. Lavi has chosen the latter.

And again, it's impossible for us to know if that's the best choice. Lavi doesn't appear to have lost the room, so it makes sense to trust him for now. The team is playing well overall.

It's easy for me to say, "Why is Mantha sitting when Eller screws up more?" And there are some decent points to be made there. But it's just as easy to say, "If this is about a talented guy's erratic performance, why doesn't Kuznetsov get the whip sometimes, too?" No matter which way you look at it, whatever's actually going on seems specific to Mantha.
 

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That's the thing. For a guy that only sees even strength time, his metrics are good. Twabby can elaborate if he wants, cuz the fancy stats sites give me dry heaves. ;)
Not Twabby and not even posting fancy stats.

Mantha's third on the Capitals in even-strength goals (8), only behind Ovechkin (20 - because Ovie gonna Ovie) and Dowd (10). Sonny Milano passes Mantha on a per game or per 60 basis, but Mantha is still ahead of plenty of full-season Capitals like Strome, Kuznetsov, Sheary, Eller, and Johansson.

Mantha's also third on the Capitals in even-strength points (21), behind Ovechkin (31 - because Ovie gonna Ovie) and Kuznetsov (22).

Mantha's even-strength production has been good, even when banished for much of the season to the bottom six with relatively limited ice time. His "lack of production" is the result of a lack of powerplay time
 

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Not Twabby and not even posting fancy stats.

Mantha's third on the Capitals in even-strength goals (8), only behind Ovechkin (20 - because Ovie gonna Ovie) and Dowd (10). Sonny Milano passes Mantha on a per game or per 60 basis, but Mantha is still ahead of plenty of full-season Capitals like Strome, Kuznetsov, Sheary, Eller, and Johansson.

Mantha's also third on the Capitals in even-strength points (21), behind Ovechkin (31 - because Ovie gonna Ovie) and Kuznetsov (22).

Mantha's even-strength production has been good, even when banished for much of the season to the bottom six with relatively limited ice time. His "lack of production" is the result of a lack of powerplay time
But what about his last 10 games or so. I don’t know and not going to look it up. But Mantha has been trending down on the eye test.

Effort is the one thing that generally leads to production. If you aren’t giving the effort, and you’re not contributing, then you gonna sit in favor of those who are.
 
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Not Twabby and not even posting fancy stats.

Mantha's third on the Capitals in even-strength goals (8), only behind Ovechkin (20 - because Ovie gonna Ovie) and Dowd (10). Sonny Milano passes Mantha on a per game or per 60 basis, but Mantha is still ahead of plenty of full-season Capitals like Strome, Kuznetsov, Sheary, Eller, and Johansson.

Mantha's also third on the Capitals in even-strength points (21), behind Ovechkin (31 - because Ovie gonna Ovie) and Kuznetsov (22).

Mantha's even-strength production has been good, even when banished for much of the season to the bottom six with relatively limited ice time. His "lack of production" is the result of a lack of powerplay time

This evens out to 16 goals and 42 points in a full season. 5.7 million is not great for that type of production.

And the per 60 thing is also dependent on the opposition he faces. If he's on the third line he's not going up against the oppositions top guys. He does create matchup problems which is good but his production and effort doesn't justify his cap hit in my opinion.
 

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16 EVEN-STRENGTH goals and 42 EVEN-STRENGTH points in a full season.

For reference, Tom Wilson had 18 EVG and 39 EVP last season.

Yeah, but since he's not on the powerplay those are the points he has. Why he isn't in the powerplay i don't know. But if he isn't going to be used there, his cap hit is a bit high.

And Wilson brings a lot more than offense, which Mantha doesn't.
 

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agree with your premise, but maybe it’s just a one-game wakeTF up scratch. I’m good with those motivational tactics at times.
The mudding was him being on the 4th line, but was away and didn't get to add it. But really, it's just dumb all around. He doesn't need a wake up, he needs proper deployments.
Yeah, but since he's not on the powerplay those are the points he has.
This is kinda dumb though, it's like saying wins are the only thing that matters with Goalies. If you just stapled Wilson to the 3rd and 4th line, he's not putting up those numbers either even with PP time.

As I said earlier; it's just like being mad that your sports car sucks off road.
 
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