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Prospect Info: Caps Prospects General Discussion Thread - 2024-25

Melkor said:
I mean you can be big time and still generate points if you are that kind of talent. Justin Williams and Dave Bolland were great in big games, they still were just Justin Williams and Dave Bolland. With Leonard, It's not even NHL hockey right now. All the guys from college who ever were considered "those guys" in the NHL have been able to produce on every level.

So, I'm sorry but I don't buy the excuses. The man is game when the puck drops, no question but for that much hype and draft pedigree? This is not enough. Yet.
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He's not that player. (Yet.) It's like asking why doesn't Carlson have the offensive output of Karlsson. If Leonard were that player, he wouldn't have fallen to 8th.

He's not going to come in and be a star offensively (in the regular season). I think he could get there eventually, but I do not expect him to put up huge point totals in his first season.

Leonard's value to the Caps is 1) he could immediately put up solid (think Vrana-esque) offensive numbers while also being solid off the puck and 2) he has significant long-term offensive potential.
 
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wickedwitch said:
He's not that player. (Yet.) It's like asking why doesn't Carlson have the offensive output of Karlsson. If Leonard were that player, he wouldn't have fallen to 8th.
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I mean Hutson fell to whatever that number is and giving the same output while being a D. Johnny Hockey tore NCAA apart in his days. Plenty of examples of people delivering. 8th overall is more than high enough to be expected to be in the upper echelon offensively all year long. Otherwise, yeah, it's just a hope that he's gonna be somehow more impactful in the NHL than as an amateur.
 
twabby said:
I think Hutson producing so much compared to Leonard is more a credit to Hutson and how good he is than an indictment of Leonard's production. It's silly that Hutson dropped as far as he did in the draft.
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I think if anyone has known the rookie season his brother was going to have he goes at least somewhere in the 20s. Now, every other GM is the league who had a pick outside of the top 10 and didn't pick him is probably kicking themselves after the WJC.
 
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We have drafted several rececently that are accelerating post draft. Lil Pro. Matieko. Allen. Cristal. Hudson. That’s a lot of second plus rounders that are trending NHL level ability. And other graduated or on cusp of graduating. That is a lot of assets.
 
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Schedule for the week:

Hershey - Fri 1/17, Sun 1/19

CHL:
Andrew Cristall Spokane - Wed 1/15, Fri 1/17 PG, Sat 1/18

Terik Parascak Prince George - Fri 1/17 Spokane, Sat 1/18

Patrick Thomas Brantford - Fri 1/17, Sat 1/18, Sun 1/19

Ilya Protas Windsor - Thu 1/16, Sat 1/18, Sun 1/19

Cam Allen London - Fri 1/17, Sun 1/19

Eriks Mateiko Rimouski - Wed 1/15, Fri 1/17, Sun 1/19

College:
Ryan Leonard BC - Tue 1/14, Fri 1/17, Sat 1/18

Ryan Chesley Minn - Fri 1/17, Sat 1/18

Cole Hutson BU - Fri 1/17, Sat 1/18
 
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In something of a thin draft I start earmarking some of the larger humans available (that can also play mind you). Windsor center Jack Nesbitt seems like an intriguing late first possibility. He's ranked 16th among NA skaters, quite a bit higher than anywhere else I've seen. Fiddler likely won't be available to them but certainly fits as well. William Horcoff has accelerated to Michigan to solid early returns. I'm all for assembling a small army of Protas-like (Protean?) creatures.
 
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usiel said:
Looks like Cristall is the WHL points leaders at 70.
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Actually at 71 points in 31 games. 31 goals in 31 games too.

Players behind him:

Kyle Chyzowski - 69 points in 42 games.
Oliver Tulk - 66 points in 39 games.
Gavin McKenna - 66 points in 33 games.
Benjamin Kindel - 64 points in 38 games (2025 draft-eligible).

Tied for 3rd in WHL in SHG's so will be interesting to see if he gets PK duties again in Spokane.
 
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The WJC was so enjoyable this year... who are we most excited for at this point? I think my list is something like:

Leonard
Tie- Hutson/Cristall
Tie- Mateiko/Lil Pro
Parascak
Allen
Iorio
Chesley
Muggli
Sikora
Tie - Suzdalev/Funk

I really hope Miro can find the next gear and become a regular middle six player too, love his game.
 
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43sfriends said:
The WJC was so enjoyable this year... who are we most excited for at this point? I think my list is something like:

Leonard
Tie- Hutson/Cristall
Tie- Mateiko/Lil Pro
Parascak
Allen
Iorio
Chesley
Muggli
Sikora
Tie - Suzdalev/Funk

I really hope Miro can find the next gear and become a regular middle six player too, love his game.
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For me (and this is about excitement and not a prospect ranking although there is some correlation):
Leonard
Cristall (love Hutson, but Cristall brings creativity to the forwards which is currently very lacking; also, he might be able to score in the shootout)
Hutson
***massive gap***
Lil Pro
Chesley
Allen
Rybinski (I want to see him get NHL minutes next season at the latest)
Mateiko
Muggli
Sikora
Parascak
Iorio

I really love the progression Chesley and Allen showed this year. I think it's going to be very interesting to compare Allen's 5v5 numbers to that of his new teammate DIckinson. And I'm curious to see what Mateiko's numbers look like on his new team.

I've never been super enthused by the Parascak pick. I think he's a good prospect, but I am personally not yet excited about him.

(I did not include Miro in the list. He'd probably be after Hutson but before the massive gap.)
 
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Pretty solid rankings. Flip Aitcheson and Frondell and I wouldn't quibble with much. Mrtka should be higher, though. Cootes seems like their sort of pick...already captaining a poor team and leading them in scoring. Maybe not a HR swing but solid. Once you get to the early 20's it's wide open. I find myself preferring a lot of his early second rounders to his late firsts.

NHLN has the All-American Prospects game tonight.
 
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wickedwitch said:
I think it's going to be very interesting to compare Allen's 5v5 numbers to that of his new teammate DIckinson.
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To elaborate, with Guelph, Allen had 18 non-PP points in 27 games (plus 7 PP points, 2 goals and 5 assists). Allen won't get PP1 time on the Knights now that WJC is over. Despite that, Allen has 10 non-PP points in 8 games (+1 PP goal and 1 PP assist). Dickinson, who is considered a top D prospect (and he is a year younger), has 29 non-PP points in 28 games. It's still a small sample size, but things are looking promising.
 
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I am surprised the lists of prospects above didn’t include Lapierre at all. And Miro kinda slighted. have to still consider them prospects who haven’t graduated. They are the best of the group and NHL ready.

I think you have to give Leonard the top spot after that but Hudson may have the higher ceiling. He is a guy who can control the game with the puck on his stick. Cristal is exciting as well, but I need to see Cristal play with pros. Lots of encouraging signs beyond that and we need the next couple to continue growth path.
 
DWGie26 said:
I am surprised the lists of prospects above didn’t include Lapierre at all. And Miro kinda slighted. have to still consider them prospects who haven’t graduated. They are the best of the group and NHL ready.

I think you have to give Leonard the top spot after that but Hudson may have the higher ceiling. He is a guy who can control the game with the puck on his stick. Cristal is exciting as well, but I need to see Cristal play with pros. Lots of encouraging signs beyond that and we need the next couple to continue growth path.
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I think Lappy and Miro are less "exciting" to me mostly because I've seen what they're like at the pro level. Hutson and Cristall are high on my excitement scale for the exact opposite reason -- I think they are much broader test cases for what can and cannot transfer to the NHL from junior levels, and pretty unique prospects because of it.
 
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qc14 said:
I think Lappy and Miro are less "exciting" to me mostly because I've seen what they're like at the pro level. Hutson and Cristall are high on my excitement scale for the exact opposite reason -- I think they are much broader test cases for what can and cannot transfer to the NHL from junior levels, and pretty unique prospects because of it.
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I think it's also GP. Lapierre has 84 games played at the NHL level plus 4 playoff games. He's still developing, obviously, but I'd say a full season of NHL play is 'graduated' compared to guys drafted a year or two ago. Miro is more borderline, but he has nearly half an NHL season (39) of games played at this point.

But it always makes prospect ranking difficult. One would include Rybinski, with no games played, despite the fact he is 23 (turns 24 later this year) but you would not include 22 year old Lapierre or 20 year old Miroshnichenko since they're 'graduated' (both turn 23/21 soon).

Re; Parascak - I think the inherent problem with him is that he's a winger which is a position we're insanely deep at (Leonard, Cristall, and Miro if you consider him a prospect are all clearly above him). That doesn't make him a bad prospect, but it makes him a little more forgettable. He's also fighting being on a weaker team year over year so he put up insane numbers for a draftee last year and is probably going to come up short of that this year. While not super high on either list, Parascak was a top ranked prospect for both Wheeler (#98 out of 100 from July among drafted prospects) and Pronman (#127 out of 139 including goalies and current NHL players so long as they are under 23)

Sidebar: Pronman hates Cristall. Not even mentioned on his deeper list of prospects taken outside the 1st round which goes well beyond the 139 he originally listed.
 
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