Speculation: Caps General Discussion (Coaching/FAs/Cap/Lines etc) - 2020 Offseason Pt. 4
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Rayquaza64
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he wasn't that good last year and if scoring stays as high as it is.... yikes
The soft goals are the issues right now. And youth. Anderson won’t be an issue re: youth.
I’m not unhappy that the Caps got 2pts in 2 games w Pittsburgh. But I am very unhappy the Pens got 4pts. On gimic goals. I honestly loathe the 3 on 3 and the shootout. Joke hockey.
Why is youth an issue? Like either you stop the puck or you don't. I don't really see any reason why Anderson is making those saves over VV, especially the breakaway and powerplay goals.
More concerned about discipline and our special teams play over goaltending right now.
CapitalsCupReality
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I think it’s a safe bet to expect to see a continued regular rotation until one of them has a monster game.
Agreed, he’ll have to consider giving Anderson a start or two, but it seems more of an emergency move down the road if one of them really craps the bed for a stretch.
CapitalsCupReality
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ultimately this is the sage advice.....
if these guys were getting the hook in games, I’d be overreacting also lol....
txpd
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The games have to end in a known time and a winner is required. I am getting to where I would prefer they go back to 4 on 4.
txpd
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Do you seriously see no value to experience? Players as a rule get better as they gain experience. Lets reset this a bit. This was a goalie in his 2nd NHL game playing a Capitals v Penguins game on national tv behind a team leading its division. There is pressure there. Its not typical of the kind of game a guy gets in his 2nd game. The Buffalo game was far more typical. Do you think Hank would have felt out of place last night? It would have been just another game.
tenken00
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As well as Chara has played for us, he's also 43 years old and just played 4 games in 6 nights. I would rest him next game and bring up one of Siegenthaler or TvR based on who to fit pairings with.
With Orlov-Jensen working well at the end of last season, I wouldn't mind seeing them paired up again, and splitting up Carlson-Orlov to see how they fare away from each other. Or see how an Orlov-Schultz would look. Possibly go something like:
Dillon-Carlson
Orlov-Schultz
Siegenthaler-Jensen/TvR
With Orlov-Jensen working well at the end of last season, I wouldn't mind seeing them paired up again, and splitting up Carlson-Orlov to see how they fare away from each other. Or see how an Orlov-Schultz would look. Possibly go something like:
Dillon-Carlson
Orlov-Schultz
Siegenthaler-Jensen/TvR
Not no value, but I don’t see why more experience would have produced a different outcome last night besides maaaaybe the first goal against.
We had:
-PPG against
-Breakaway goal against
-Another PPG against
-3v3 goal against
those weren’t goaltending issues. Does Lundqvist make those saves? Maybe but all of those goals were because of failures from the team in front of VV. Lack of discipline, poor PK, poor power play structure, and poor coverage on the 3v3 OT goal. He allowed one 5v5 goal.
CapitalsCupReality
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Change all pairs to rest Chara a game?? He looks phenomenal, not needing a game off now IMO.
Even so, doesn’t Siege just slide right into his slot rather than shuffling everything?
I’m more curious to see if Lavi will give 9-74 a good long stretch together or if the leash is short, because then yes, some deck shuffling would occur.
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txpd
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The 5 on 3 goal against was a read play. He over committed and got burned. Breakaways get stopped all the time. Its called making a save. Being overwhelmed by a moment doesnt always look like Sammy sticking the puck in his own net. BTW. That first goal was really bad timing. The Caps were owning the Pens and that goal gave them life.
Their lack of experience is going to make the next game that much more of a crap shoot.
tenken00
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Chara has looked phenomenal because he's somewhat rested now. I want to keep him playing phenomally and that means not overloading him too much early. He doesn't need to move as much with his sound positioning and let's face it, his huge ass, but it's going to be a lot of games coming rapidly one after the other all throughout the season. I was thinking perhaps have a (flexible) schedule that would give him consistent rest after an interval of games.
In regards to the shuffling: I just thought it would be a good opportunity or excuse to see what you have early on. I know Siege-Jensen had some time together last year and I guess we can go with that again. But maybe you can keep going with Orlov-Carlson while Chara is in the lineup while shifting the pairings in the few games that Chara is not to give yourself the time to do some experimentation while keeping everything else mostly normalized.
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txpd
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The Caps dont play again til Friday. I would rest Chara during a back to back. Makes more sense. Right?
tenken00
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Yea, I actually didn't look at the schedule. Looking at it now, it's pretty spread out to every-other-day until Feb 13-14. Maybe give him a day off one game between now and then.
Breakaways are breakaways, it's basically 50/50. Giving up a breakaway on a 5v3 concerns me more than how the goalie played that breakaway.
Goaltending is just not really at the top of my concerns yet. And i certainly wouldn't characterize the situation in net as ideal, but also don't really buy that Craig Anderson or other available options will improve much of anything right now even with their experience. Play whoever in net, I don't have strong feelings either way, it's the other stuff that bothers me more right now.
Through 4 games: 16 minor penalties. Net penalties is -8 for the worst in the league. That's the issue. And the Caps were still owning the Pens after that first goal. Tom Wilson came right back and scored and then did it again. We gave them life in the second through penalties, disrupting our 5v5 dominance and then a wasted 5v3 PP.
txpd
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Its 4 games into a season with no pre season games. I am not concerned about anything yet. I am just saying that having 2 goalies as inexperienced as these will create problems. There's no way around it
They tried to remedy the lack of experience by signing Lundqvist. That did not work out so they said screw it and added experience on D. Anderson is a vet but not sure how much his experience counts being on the taxi squad. Who else out there with experience that they could have signed?
Yes, inexperienced goal tending will certainly bring problems along the way. However i would wager that during Ovechkins era the Caps ALWAYS had goal tending problems. Whether it was Theo, Huet, Varlamov, Holtby etc.... someone always found ways to let the team down. So i think if anything Caps have plenty of experience working with goal tending problems
SherVaughn30
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SherVaughn30
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I'm agreement with you. Unfortunately the NHL years ago had to come up with something stupid to get rid of ties.
SherVaughn30
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Just based on what you are saying, you don't seem to have a grasp on NHL goaltending. Experienced goaltending is very important. The position is like playing QB in the NFL or a pitcher in MLB. Young goalies are liable to make more mistakes in key situations in the game. For an experienced goalie, they have faced all types of game situations and are more likely to handle key situations in game better than a young goalie with little or no NHL experience.
Ovechkins Wodka
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Craig Anderson is not the answer... I would much rather fail with the kids and develop them then throw out an old bad goalie just because he a vet
SherVaughn30
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The Caps are in win now mode and not a non-playoff team trying to develop young players. Samsonov I can understand because he was the backup last season. But trying to go with Samsonov and VV with now only 2 NHL games under his belt, is a recipe for coming up short to make the playoffs. You don't go with a young starter with some NHL experience coming off a major injury and then back him up with another young goalie with no NHL experience. They got away with trying Copley as backup for one season. Samsonov was the 2nd time and now strike 3 with VV.
Ovechkins Wodka
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Well that wasnt the plan but we got to play with the hand delt. The Kids could be alot better come playoff time if we make it through the growing pains. So far we are 2-0-2 so let the kids keep growing they are the future in net
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Yep. If it's about experience, you can only get experience with... experience.
If Anderson is 5% better now because of his experience, how long will that last before the young goalies have gained enough experience to offset it, or his own aging decreases the margin? How often will the Capitals lose owing to the experience of their goaltender versus his overall skill, and which of those is more likely to make positive improvements over time? You delay the inevitable with Anderson.
At best, you hope he can give you 10-15 games here in the front end of this schedule, you give the other goalie backup duty, and stagger their inexperience, but the thing is that there's really no guarantee (and nothing to indicate) that Anderson is going to win you more games than either of them, and he definitely seems less likely to steal one.
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