Speculation: Caps General Discussion (Coaching/FAs/Cap/Lines etc) - 2020 Offseason Pt. 3
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Corby78
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If he is ready to drive the third line this year I will be ecstatic. That's lot to put on a guy who hasn't even played one game in the AHL
Pretty much no one signs their qualifying offer, and it's pretty standard for an RFA like him not to have reached a new deal by now.
txpd
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I thought you meant him. He has zero NHL track record. We dont know what kind of offense he drives until we see him play some actual NHL games. If the Caps dont think Fehervary is ready for a full time NHL sweater, I am doubting that McMichael gets much more than call up duty. For certain he is far from a sure thing. Right?
tenken00
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I think that's true about RFAs like Barzal or Cirelli, but Siegenthaler shouldn't be that hard to figure out. $1.25 mil? $1.5 mil?
I guess GMBM is waiting until after someone gets moved, which TEB says is likely in today's Q&A on the Athletic. Most likely Jensen and perhaps Panik as well.
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Tarik El-Bashir
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@Brett Y. It has been very quiet. I asked earlier this week and was told that Laviolette has spoken to the holdovers (Forsythe and Arniel) and would be making the decision without much interference from management. I was also told to not be shocked if someone sticks around.
With the start date of training camp up in the air, Laviolette has time on his side.
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Tarik El-Bashir
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@John C. MacLellan is playing things close to the vest, which shouldn't come as a surprise. But if you look at the signings, the depth chart and the salary cap situation, it becomes pretty clear - to me, anyway - that Jensen should be looking over his shoulder and maybe Panik, too.
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The blood and bone and brain debris would be epic around here if Lavy keeps Forsythe. OMG. The 2nd part I agree is just analysis. But the Caps have become comfortable without carrying spare players. If they kept 7, it would take 2 injuries to get Fehervary a game. Jensen's cap hit makes him the most likely.
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It's funny because of the two names listed, he's the one I'd expect (and maybe even prefer) to keep. But then, I didn't like Arniel the minute he was hired.
txpd
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I think there are reasons why Forsythe has been there so long. I dont think many of them are apparant to the fan. I could be wrong but that is my suspicion
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i swear if i have to watch the god damn slingshot one more f***in time
ArmadilloThumb
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Yes. Into the Sun with the Slingshot.
I am hoping the Schultz signing is an explicit statement of that, emphasizing a good first pass breakout establishing momentum that carries into fast entries into the opposition zone, both 5v5 and especially on the PP.
Slingshot is a momentum vampire.
txpd
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I said that he may do things that arent apparant to the fan. I could only speculate. He started as a video coach for Glen Hanlon. This means every coach since has chosen to keep him. There has to be a reason for that. Lets just guess that everybody likes him. He doesnt complain and is can do. He is tech master and as a result multitasks with coaching and tech breakdowns. His work ethic and the quality of the prep he produces and his general likeability earns him a special place with the players.
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I’m still somewhat skeptical they’ll be able to move Jensen or Panik, maybe they can, they’re useful players, but half the teams have no cap room so they have to send salary back to acquire them, which doesn’t help us.
And then of the remaining teams that have space, do they even want these players? Rosters are filling up, cap space is filling up. If they’re gonna move someone, do it now. Should’ve been done at the draft tbh
And then of the remaining teams that have space, do they even want these players? Rosters are filling up, cap space is filling up. If they’re gonna move someone, do it now. Should’ve been done at the draft tbh
SpinningEdge
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Doesn’t it seem like the caps trade a lot of ppl who do this?I think that's true about RFAs like Barzal or Cirelli, but Siegenthaler shouldn't be that hard to figure out. $1.25 mil? $1.5 mil?
I guess GMBM is waiting until after someone gets moved, which TEB says is likely in today's Q&A on the Athletic. Most likely Jensen and perhaps Panik as well.
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Tarik El-Bashir
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@Brett Y. It has been very quiet. I asked earlier this week and was told that Laviolette has spoken to the holdovers (Forsythe and Arniel) and would be making the decision without much interference from management. I was also told to not be shocked if someone sticks around.
With the start date of training camp up in the air, Laviolette has time on his side.
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Tarik El-Bashir
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@John C. MacLellan is playing things close to the vest, which shouldn't come as a surprise. But if you look at the signings, the depth chart and the salary cap situation, it becomes pretty clear - to me, anyway - that Jensen should be looking over his shoulder and maybe Panik, too.
didnt Djoos do this? Didn’t Stephenson go to arbitration?
seems like if it ever goes to that and caps aren’t happy with their number - they trade them
Siegenthaler should really be a just sign the QO and be done with it. He can’t go to arbitration anyway, so take it or leave it. We need all the cap savings we can get and we actually have some depth on defense. He’s not in any position to really demand anything more than the QO at this time.
txpd
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txpd
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The slingshot is a pp only technique and from what I remember its mostly used when the pk is set up and waiting. After a clean clear as a for instance.
As for Schultz I am not sure how much impact he would have on that because the Caps use pp2 very little
tenken00
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Well in Stephenson's and Djoos' cases they were awarded a higher than expected raise from arbitration, which I think was fine but it was awarded in a year when the salary cap didn't jump up as much as everyone in the industry thought.
I remember how people were expecting the cap to jump up as much as $3 million for each team and the final number only jumping up $1 million to everyone's surprise last year. Didn't stop MacLellan from giving out contract extensions to Hagelin and Jensen and then picking up Panik, Hathaway and Leipsic, but I get it. We were seriously going for it this year and no one expected the midway point slump and subsequent league shutdown.
But due to the surprise much smaller-than-expected cap jump, we were really against the wall when arbitration awarded both Djoos and Stephenson higher raises than the Caps hoped. And I dont think any less of either of them for it. They should get paid what they are worth, and they are blossoming now that they have opportunity with other teams. We just couldn't fit them here, there was just no way around it.
Siegenthaler doesn't have arbitration rights right now, capfriendly shows he needs another year of service to gain it. So its a little different.
Its a little tough for him to sign the QO. QOs at Siegenthaler's salary bracket is just what he made the previous year ($750K base salary) for one year only. He could probably get more than that on the open market in a normal year.. but not sure in these Covid economic times. And one year only contracts are tough to swallow right now, especially for a fringe NHL player. I guess if he was really feeling the squeeze, he could sign the QO and take the one year minimum salary and become a RFA again next year, this time with arbitration rights. But the cap is going to be frozen again next year too.
Its been really tough for the fringe players these past few years and the upcoming years with the only $1 million cap raise and then multiple consecutive cap freezes. I mean its been tough for everyone really. And having any NHL job is pretty cushy anyways, but its definitely not the same as it used to be.
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Carlson, Dillon, Jensen can all do basically everything Siegs does and more. Arguably Orlov too, and probably Fehervary as well pretty soon. Dillon can do the heavy lifting of replacing Siegs' PK time, with Orlov and/or Fehervary filling in the rest. He's hardly irreplaceable.
Not that it changes your point, but it's his 2019-2020 salary plus 5 percent, so $787,500. Players with salaries at $1 million or more get their qualifying offers at the same salary.
My stance on this exactly. The longer it goes the less and less I see anyone being moved. There are very few teams with space to take either without bringing a piece back, which we don't want. Color me not a fan of only carrying 12 Fs. Wasn't there a game last year we had to dress 5 D because of being up against it? At the moment the team can't even carry CMM if they'd choose to do so. There's either no market to make these moves or no one is giving Mac anything to work with on the other end.
Im not advocating moving Siegs, just that he’s likely a guy that can’t do much better than the qualifying offer. He has no leverage
I’d say his most valuable asset is being on the penalty kill, and Dillon, Orlov, Jensen, TVR can all do that. He’s also a 3rd pairing D right now, a one year deal at the minimum gives them another year to evaluate and see where Fehervary will fit in. I’m fine with Siegenthaler and would prefer to play him this year over Fehervary. I don’t think Fehervary is ready
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