Duke749
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You really don't think someone better then Jokinen has been this year would make a difference? YIKES!
Post-Game Talk: Caps claim SE. Jets lose 5-3.
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You really don't think someone better then Jokinen has been this year would make a difference? YIKES!
We'll probably miss the playoffs by one point. Are you saying if we had a legit 2nd line center instead of Jokinen, it wouldn't have a difference.
PS, It's "you're"
Shots per game were mid league. He's faced so many because he's always in net. Irrelevant statistic.
Duke749
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Ps I'm on a tablet so be a doll and deal with occasional grammar issues.
I don't think a second line centre would have been enough for us to get in. Would they have been better than Jokinen? Sure. But that doesn't change Pavelec from letting in bad goals at bad times. It's also much easier to find a decent goaltender than a top 6 centre. Goaltending prospects are all over the NHL right now
I don't think a second line centre would have been enough for us to get in. Would they have been better than Jokinen? Sure. But that doesn't change Pavelec from letting in bad goals at bad times. It's also much easier to find a decent goaltender than a top 6 centre. Goaltending prospects are all over the NHL right now
If I have to explain the difference to you between shots per game and Overall shots for a whole year this convo can end now. Jesus.
Duke749
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Jokinen has less points then Enstrom. And you really don't think 5 or more points from someone would make a difference in maybe one or more games?
4 less games started for Miller.
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Of the top 10 goalies in the shots faced category, 4 are out of the playoffs, and 1 is in danger of doing so.
Look at it this way: Carey Price has the Habs challenging for the division title with a 2.60 GAA and a SV% that's WORSE than Pavelec at .904. The list of goalies that are below Pavelec in SV% this year has a list of some pretty big names.
I don't think anyone is going to really change anyone's mind here, so I'll give up the stat searching and just leave it there.
You mention Pavelec giving up bad goals at bad times, what about the great saves he makes at key times? He kept the team in it tonight. That's all you can really ask of a goalie like him. We don't have Marty Brodeur (although Pavelec has a better SV% than him this season).
Jokinen has less points then Enstrom. And you really don't think 5 or more points from someone would make a difference in maybe one or more games?
4 less games started for Miller.
Go to NHL.com and sort teams based on shots allowed per game. Jesus tap dancing Christ.
And yes you can't just plug in a new forward for an underachieving one and clap your hands together and say "all done". Maybe the new guy gets points at the cost of other guys points, who knows. It's a dynamic that isn't easily figured out. Goaltenders stand alone on their save %.
Duke749
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And yet you think doing that with a goaltender suddenly changes things?
You realize this contradicts your position previously?Last post as I have a flight in 5 hours; if price had been playing all year as he's been lately (which is why his save % has tanked) there'd be no Montreal playoffs.
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So when Pavs, doesn't get a shutout, because the puck bounces off Wheeler, into the net. What stat does that stand against?
And yet you think doing that with a goaltender suddenly changes things?
Oh. My. God. READ MY POST PLEASE. Jesus. H. Christ.
YES swapping forwards is different as I explained. It directly affects ice time and puck possession, shots etc.
Goaltenders CAN be swapped seamlessly as the above concerns are not applicable.
Good grief. Good night.
The Jets are poised to be a cap team, not a lower revenue team.
Obviously Pavs is impotant to the franchise considering he will end up playing more games than any other tender in the league (guess but pretty solidish guess) this regular season.
They aren't going to buy him out. That is ludicrous.
Next year they really need to get a backup goalie that they trust enough to play 30-40% of the games.
King Woodballs
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King Woodballs
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If the stats get spun around any more in here, there is going to be a tornado....
Why does every thread especially the GDT's and PGT's need to degenerate into a bash fest?
Why does every thread especially the GDT's and PGT's need to degenerate into a bash fest?
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Okay now that I have had a chance to read through the obligatory over night Pavs blaming and bashing I say bull****. He was no where near why we lost last night. Christ he held us in the game. Washington pretty much came at him in waves as a decimated and overwhelmed d continually backed in hoping for the best. Holtby on the hand let in a couple softies. If you switch goalies last night it would have been in the 6-1 range.
And I'm not even a big Pavs supporter. IMO he is an average starter who can make big flashy saves. But he is young and starter quality and I believe it would be a huge mistake to let him go.
And I'm not even a big Pavs supporter. IMO he is an average starter who can make big flashy saves. But he is young and starter quality and I believe it would be a huge mistake to let him go.
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I couldn't say it better. We were outshot 2-1 lost by a goal (I know plus empty net) and if not for a fluke that could not be recreated by a 4th liner if given 100 trys and a defenceman who made more quality saves than Holtby, were dancing in the streets. Pav's deserves 0% of blame on this one.
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DarthMonty
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Well, now that I've digested the game results, reading through this thread is providing some alternate perspective.
Pavs let in a bad goal, yet made some spectacular and some routine saves - is the loss all on him? No. But he needs to improve, because right now, at best, he's a slightly below average goalie. While he bears some responsibility for what happened, so does Hainsey, Wheeler, Burmi, Clitsome, Meech, Byfuglien, Little, heck, you get the idea, most of the rest of the team.
Can we put the "No Goal" call to bed now? I would like to offer my opinion, which is based on spending a decade in the officials' booth for the Jets 1.0 final two seasons and 8 more with the Moose, as one of the official scorers.
When the referee signals no goal and it is reviewed, the puck has to clear the line so that the white of the underlying ice can be seen. If the reviewer cannot see separation from the actual goal line, the puck did not go in. We had bad standard def cameras and video tape to "assist" us, and we had to be absolutely certain that the puck crossed the line completely. Even with multiple replays, I cannot see at any point where the puck is absolutely clear of the goal line, therefore, no goal.
I wanted it to be a goal, but the second I watched the replay, I knew what the call was going to be. It was not enough to overturn the on-ice call. Remember, the replay officials need to be able to defend their call to the powers-that-be, and in this case, they got the call correct, because it is defendable.
Pavs let in a bad goal, yet made some spectacular and some routine saves - is the loss all on him? No. But he needs to improve, because right now, at best, he's a slightly below average goalie. While he bears some responsibility for what happened, so does Hainsey, Wheeler, Burmi, Clitsome, Meech, Byfuglien, Little, heck, you get the idea, most of the rest of the team.
Can we put the "No Goal" call to bed now? I would like to offer my opinion, which is based on spending a decade in the officials' booth for the Jets 1.0 final two seasons and 8 more with the Moose, as one of the official scorers.
When the referee signals no goal and it is reviewed, the puck has to clear the line so that the white of the underlying ice can be seen. If the reviewer cannot see separation from the actual goal line, the puck did not go in. We had bad standard def cameras and video tape to "assist" us, and we had to be absolutely certain that the puck crossed the line completely. Even with multiple replays, I cannot see at any point where the puck is absolutely clear of the goal line, therefore, no goal.
I wanted it to be a goal, but the second I watched the replay, I knew what the call was going to be. It was not enough to overturn the on-ice call. Remember, the replay officials need to be able to defend their call to the powers-that-be, and in this case, they got the call correct, because it is defendable.
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RonJon
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We only have one game leftThursday vs. Montreal
Maybe he's an optimist and ment game 1 of the playoffs
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