Post-Game Talk: Capitals vs. Coyotes 11/2/14 7:00 PM Caps Lose 6-5

[BTCG]

I am not sure. losing streaks have a life of their own. I think they will make the playoffs. this is the first week of November.

Hmmmm..... I tend to think we'll look back at a game like this as one that kept us from making the playoffs.

 

[BTCG]

Uh what?

DRW is a team full of 2 way players. A D man for DRW must primarily, play D. That's not 52.

 

[vippe]

Getting tired of this... how could this possibly turn in to a loss like this. And meanwhile in Nashville...

DRW is a team full of 2 way players. A D man for DRW must primarily, play D. That's not 52.

Well Wings do miss a dynamic offensive defenseman. I could see Green fit there, but I am not sure they would ever go after a player like him though.

 

[BTCG]

Getting tired of this... how could this possibly turn in to a loss like this. And meanwhile in Nashville...



Well Wings do miss a dynamic offensive defenseman. I could see Green fit there, but I am not sure they would ever go after a player like him though.

Sorry this took a bit to type... my new Siberian loves to sit in my lap, and insists on my using both hands to scratch his ears and neck. Hard to type and scratch him, too.

Green isn't a good D man... not the type DRW covet. As for their having offensive Dmen... sure, if they can actually play D.

 

[BTCG]

I know with the previous 3 games and all, everyones going to be all doom and **** around here as usual but I see plenty of good things happening. I'll remain optimistic which I never do.

I know most of you are still a couple of years away from understanding the importance of advanced stats but just even with a quick look it's not hard to see this team is doing a lot of good things

Let me help:

The last coach who insisted on defensive accountability smartly, left on his own, as a certain faction on the team didn't want to play for him.

Trotz is also a coach that insists on defensive accountability, and that same faction... remains on the roster.

What does this tell you?

Hint: the dressing room is already divided.

 

[BTCG]

Think I'm going to make diesel, my new cat, my avatar.

Oh... Diesel is a Russian, and he likes Alex Ovechkin. Russian cat knows hockey!

 

[vippe]

Sorry this took a bit to type... my new Siberian loves to sit in my lap, and insists on my using both hands to scratch his ears and neck. Hard to type and scratch him, too.

Green isn't a good D man... not the type DRW covet. As for their having offensive Dmen... sure, if they can actually play D.

Oh believe me, I am Greens biggest critic and have been for years, even when he was at his best. I know he sucks at D. But that doesnt take away the fact that he has offensive skills something that is lacking on the Red Wings blue line. They have an awful pp and honestly, if Alfredsson is not coming back which he probably isnt it will continue to do so. Which is why a player like Green certainly would help them with. If there is any place a player could learn to at least play decent enough D it's in Detroit.

 

[BTCG]

Oh believe me, I am Greens biggest critic and have been for years, even when he was at his best. I know he sucks at D. But that doesnt take away the fact that he has offensive skills something that is lacking on the Red Wings blue line. They have an awful pp and honestly, if Alfredsson is not coming back which he probably isnt it will continue to do so. Which is why a player like Green certainly would help them with. If there is any place a player could learn to at least play decent enough D it's in Detroit.

Alfredsson is a forward. Maybe you know that, it's just in the way you wrote it. But I think Green is all wrong for them, and I sure hope it doesn't happen. They'll never move Tartar or Jurco, especially Jurco.

OH... I don't want Alfredsson back either. BTW- I'm a fan of both the Caps and DRW. I think the Caps biggest issue is there is a group that does not want to play the 2-way game.

 

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i thought i was on the main board there for a second. who are these people.

 

[Acallabeth]

These several losses were easily the worst games in the season - these mental mistakes were going to bite us and they do now. At least we cut the long diagonal breakouts through the center of the blue line. All the progress we got in comparison to the last year is due to getting a coach instead of a wrecker, and after a few honemoon games we're struck with the same personal problems that need to be adressed... it looks like the boys are never ready for anything (unexpected pass, turnover or a goal against) and don't know the value of goals and chances. Confidence is an obvious issue as well.

Wilson looked sick on the 1st line.
Kuznetsov keeps improving.
Did Burakovsky get hurt on that hit in the 1st? Welcome to the NHL.

 

[BackToTheBasics]

i thought i was on the main board there for a second. who are these people.

Exactly what I was thinking.

 

[g00n]

I know with the previous 3 games and all, everyones going to be all doom and **** around here as usual but I see plenty of good things happening. I'll remain optimistic which I never do.

I know most of you are still a couple of years away from understanding the importance of advanced stats but just even with a quick look it's not hard to see this team is doing a lot of good things

Really? Golly. That's great to know. I feel better now. Screw Trotz, right?

 

[marcel snapshot]

Well, actually this team is doing a lot of good things and Trotz is right.

We look more dynamic 5x5, our D is better, and for significant stretches we display a compete level that borders on playoff-quality.

Our goaltending has let us down the last 2 games, and a good compete level for "significant stretches" still doesn't get it done (though it looks better than no compete level). But mentally we still lack a collective mindset that is defiant toward adversity and takes a fug you attitude toward adversity - why is Ovie giggling at a careless high-stick penalty with under 30 seconds to go in the period in a 1-goal game that is a back-to-back. It is still the case that when bad things happen, we go into a shell, feel sorry for ourselves (we're not special anymore) and/or we let it snowball - that is simply not a professional attitude.

It is at least something of a positive that Trotz clearly understands the defect in this team: as he said, it wants to do just enough and no more, which is why time and again it wants a cookie and a nap just for having a good period or a good stretch of play. We get up on a team, and we ease up - we lack the commitment and work ethic needed to grind the opponent into submission, because our guys want it to be easy, because it's supposed to be easy, because they're so special.

Fuggin right it needs to change.

 

[strungout]

This is what you were hired for Trotz...handle it.

 

[KevinM]

Why is everyone pointing to Ovi laughing like it's some awful thing, he was obviously incredulous at the way the refs were calling the game. Or is he supposed to be completely stoic all the time.

 

[txpd]

He and the 4-point night captain are easy targets, because they're generally hated by the hockey media.

I think we all watch Green pretty closely looking for fail. He was on the ice for 2 goals against. One was the the 2nd goal against, the slap shot from the other side of the ice from him. it was a soft goal. He was on for the final goal against and I was not watching then.

I am not sure why Green would be singled out in that game.

 

[NobodyBeatsTheWiz]

Why is everyone pointing to Ovi laughing like it's some awful thing, he was obviously incredulous at the way the refs were calling the game. Or is he supposed to be completely stoic all the time.

Yeah, I agree. The laugh was not a big deal, at all. It's not indicative of any bigger problem, wasn't cause for the collapse, and had no impact on anything.

It wasn't "tee hee I just took a silly penalty". It was "I can't believe you seriously called that".

 

[BrooklynCapsFan]

Why is everyone pointing to Ovi laughing like it's some awful thing, he was obviously incredulous at the way the refs were calling the game. Or is he supposed to be completely stoic all the time.

For whatever reason, pouting and whining at the refs like a petulant little **** is what a captain is supposed to do. Read up on Nova Scotian leadership.

 

[strungout]

So who is Trotz actually pissed at with the whole "behavior" thing?

 

[BrooklynCapsFan]

So who is Trotz actually pissed at with the whole "behavior" thing?

I have a feeling it will become very apparent tomorrow evening.

 

[txpd]

Green isn't a good D man... not the type DRW covet. As for their having offensive Dmen... sure, if they can actually play D.

I don't agree but lets stipulate that Green sucks at D. I saw the first 5 goals against. I didn't see those goals being on Green's head. His pk time was strong.
He was on the ice for one of those goals which was long range shot from the other side of the ice that the goalie got a clean look at.

So, why are we talking about Green?

 

[txpd]

So who is Trotz actually pissed at with the whole "behavior" thing?

there's a lot of reading between the lines there. I am guessing that he was backing up comments he made to the players in the room.

looking closely at the comments. he told them to stay out of the box. they took penalties. Kuz took a penalty that resulted in a goal against. Alzner took a penalty after being told to not take penalties and that resulted in a goal against. He only played 15 minutes. Ovechkin took a penalty as a result of arguing with the ref.

My guess is he was talking about those people.

 

[g00n]

Yeah, I agree. The laugh was not a big deal, at all. It's not indicative of any bigger problem, wasn't cause for the collapse, and had no impact on anything.

It wasn't "tee hee I just took a silly penalty". It was "I can't believe you seriously called that".

Sometimes I really hate people and the media. And by sometimes I mean all the time. The pedantic interpretations in cases like this are indications of socially dangerous levels of stupidity. Is every smile a sign of happiness? Is every laugh a sign of joy? Or can both be used to show contempt and incredulousness?

It's amazing that some people manage to even turn on their computers, nevermind browse to a website and begin typing...stuff.

 

[BobRouse]

Tough loss and losses lately.

Every mistake is costing us it seems and our goalies just aren't making big saves at all. Every good chance is in the back of the net.

Do need to clean up the errors though.

I agree I see alot of good things still. We carry play for long stretches and we will get rewarded for it.

 

[Langway]

It's hard to say who the individual bad apples are as it's almost a team-wide mentality and that makes it really hard to solve in the short-term. Trotz alluded to players having errors pointed out, saying they understood and going out and repeating them. That's untenable and not exactly new. It's just that we now have a coach strong enough to say something and the conviction to be frustrated rather than work to put new coats of shine on the turd that is their almost collective stupidity. It also suggests their 'leadership group' remains a joke.

Hard not to think then that severly altering the core makeup isn't worthwhile if they can't get their acts together. I think almost anyone would play better elsewhere on a decently constructed team with a more focused approach.