Post-Game Talk: Capitals vs. Coyotes 11/2/14 7:00 PM Caps Lose 6-5

[txpd]

Tough loss and losses lately.

Every mistake is costing us it seems and our goalies just aren't making big saves at all. Every good chance is in the back of the net.

Do need to clean up the errors though.

I agree I see alot of good things still. We carry play for long stretches and we will get rewarded for it.

yea, but lets put the cards on the table. after the tampa game trotz said that if we keep playing this way we will be rewarded. I think he is making a point that they can not rely on that. that they need more effort and desire.

while he was happy with the tampa performance he was clearly not happy last night and I think he thinks that his message to the team post tampa bay game was a mistake.

 

[BobRouse]

yea, but lets put the cards on the table. after the tampa game trotz said that if we keep playing this way we will be rewarded. I think he is making a point that they can not rely on that. that they need more effort and desire.

while he was happy with the tampa performance he was clearly not happy last night and I think he thinks that his message to the team post tampa bay game was a mistake.

Glad Trotz feels that way.

But in reality I'm not concerned one bit. We will get there.

Some extremely suspicious officiating last night. Through 2 periods that was the only offense they generated. 2 PPGs and one just as penalty expired. That young ref had no business being on the ice.

We are not getting any breaks and our goalies can play much better than they have shown.

 

[tycoonheart]

If there is a culture change required (which I think there is), this is a tall order for Trotz, or any coach for that matter. I think we're gonna see a lot more of the types of games we have seen the last few weeks. If Trotz starts to get through to the players, it probably won't be till the half way mark that we start to consistently see it on the ice.

 

[txpd]

Hard not to think then that severly altering the core makeup isn't worthwhile if they can't get their acts together. I think almost anyone would play better elsewhere on a decently constructed team with a more focused approach.

its going to be hard to do. the biggest pieces that need to be moved then are the biggest pieces. ovechkin being the biggest. you can look directly at the unforced error penalty while arguing and the unforced error turnover that lead to a goal.

Trotz seems to admire Backstrom. How do you trade Ovechkin?

 

[BobRouse]

If there is a culture change required (which I think there is), this is a tall order for Trotz, or any coach for that matter. I think we're gonna see a lot more of the types of games we have seen the last few weeks. If Trotz starts to get through to the players, it probably won't be till the half way mark that we start to consistently see it on the ice.

Do you think Holtby and Peters will continue to have sub .900 save pctgs?

If so we will be in trouble.

However I think they bounce back and start making saves. We aren't playing that bad.

 

[txpd]

Glad Trotz feels that way.

But in reality I'm not concerned one bit. We will get there.

Some extremely suspicious officiating last night. Through 2 periods that was the only offense they generated. 2 PPGs and one just as penalty expired. That young ref had no business being on the ice.

We are not getting any breaks and our goalies can play much better than they have shown.

oh...I am concerned. they are in a position right now where another couple of bad games can crack the program. they are certainly not doomed and can recover but the abyss is there for them to step into right now. to not recognize the peril in their path is a mistake.

 

[tycoonheart]

Do you think Holtby and Peters will continue to have sub .900 save pctgs?

If so we will be in trouble.

However I think they bounce back and start making saves. We aren't playing that bad.

I would hope not. I know the goalies have been woeful, but I think the team can improve all around.

I'm astounded by the number of turnovers they make in their own god damned zone.

Also some creative plays in the offensive zone would be nice. That Nicky to Carlson play yesterday was a thing of beauty. They need to do things like that. They need to move the goalie around. Right now I see them shooting right at the goalies hoping it goes in.

There are improvements needed all around.

 

[Dr John Carlson]

For whatever reason, pouting and whining at the refs like a petulant little **** is what a captain is supposed to do. Read up on Nova Scotian leadership.

I'm offended.

 

[BobRouse]

oh...I am concerned. they are in a position right now where another couple of bad games can crack the program. they are certainly not doomed and can recover but the abyss is there for them to step into right now. to not recognize the peril in their path is a mistake.

They will recover. We've outshot 9 out of the 11 teams we played and outchanced them in all those situations.

I would hope not. I know the goalies have been woeful, but I think the team can improve all around.

I'm astounded by the number of turnovers they make in their own god damned zone.

Also some creative plays in the offensive zone would be nice. That Nicky to Carlson play yesterday was a thing of beauty. They need to do things like that. They need to move the goalie around. Right now I see them shooting right at the goalies hoping it goes in.

There are improvements needed all around.

They do need to clean up some of those brutal turnovers. But every team turns it over during the course of the game.

Sometimes the goalie just has to make a big save. We haven't been getting them lately and it shows. 5th worst sv pctg in the league. You are not going to win a game where you goalie allows 6 goals on 30 shots.

I think they are doing far more right than wrong. Things will stabalize.

 

[tycoonheart]

So listening to the Trotz presser:

"We're gonna have to rebuild a little bit."

And said BM knows this as well.

How come no one is talking about that quote? Am I not hearing what he is saying right?

 

[g00n]

So listening to the Trotz presser:

"We're gonna have to rebuild a little bit."

And said BM knows this as well.

How come no one is talking about that quote? Am I not hearing what he is saying right?

I think because most haven't listened to the full presser. I watched CSN post-game and they cut out after maybe a minute of Trotz talking.

That quote depends on the context. Was he talking about rebuilding the system, the culture, or something similar? It doesn't necessarily mean the roster...though I do believe the new management is not going to sit on an inherited roster through thick and thin, or for very long if changes can be made.

 

[txpd]

I heard that, but to me it was not clear that the context of "rebuild" was tearing down the roster and rebuilding it. I think the rebuilding he referred to was not the roster. else I think it would both have been followed up on and a freaking headline in the media today

"Trotz calls out roster. Calls for trades"

 

[strungout]

The anticipation of who he is referring to is intriguing me.

 

[tycoonheart]

I think because most haven't listened to the full presser. I watched CSN post-game and they cut out after maybe a minute of Trotz talking.

That quote depends on the context. Was he talking about rebuilding the system, the culture, or something similar? It doesn't necessarily mean the roster...though I do believe the new management is not going to sit on an inherited roster through thick and thin, or for very long if changes can be made.

Possibly talking about behavior. But right after that comment, he talks personnel - how we do have some good players, and talent.

Its interesting because most of the presser is about him talking about changing behavior and if that doesn't work, he will have to make changes himself (talking ice time, etc).

Have a listen: http://www.monumentalnetwork.com/videos/barry-trotz-postgame-11-2-14

Start at the 3 min mark.

 

[NobodyBeatsTheWiz]

I think because most haven't listened to the full presser. I watched CSN post-game and they cut out after maybe a minute of Trotz talking.

That quote depends on the context. Was he talking about rebuilding the system, the culture, or something similar? It doesn't necessarily mean the roster...though I do believe the new management is not going to sit on an inherited roster through thick and thin, or for very long if changes can be made.

Well, a very cogent argument could be made that there is no "new management".

 

[NobodyBeatsTheWiz]

I know most of you are still a couple of years away from understanding the importance of advanced stats but just even with a quick look it's not hard to see this team is doing a lot of good things

It also seems some are lifetimes away from understanding the importance of sample size.

 

[txpd]

my analysis is that he is saying that there needs to be an attitude change in the locker room. that the team does not concentrate like they need to on what is important game to game. that players were not thinking and were not acting professional and were letting bad breaks get in their head. "behavior". He said there are good character players in the locker room and that they need to address it or fix it. He then told them thru the media that if they wont fix it, he will. he will bench guys, demote guys off the roster or down the lineup and he will trade guys if he has to.

the reason there were no names is ovechkin would have been one of those names and he is smart enough to know with Calgary coming that he didn't want to stir up the Canadian media.

 

[BrooklynCapsFan]

It also seems some are lifetimes away from understanding the importance of sample size.

And some may never grasp the distinction between correlation and causation.

 

[Langway]

The anticipation of who he is referring to is intriguing me.

Start by who doesn't fit the description of making the same mistakes or doing the minimum and taking shortcuts. The only players that are largely playing at a respectable level are Green, Schmidt and maybe Wilson. Otherwise there's complacency up and down the roster. Carlzner in particular have disappointed overall IMO.

He emphasized the poor finish to the second period and the culprits there were Carlson, Ovechkin and perhaps Alzner (not really sure what the hell he was doing).

Trotz didn't want to get into the goaltending much but they need their goaltender to be the better one in net. It's been a while since that's been the case (not that they generally make it miserable on the opposition goaltender either).

 

[txpd]

he dumped on holtby after tampa bay because the team played well and would have won without some shotty goalie play. blaming the back up goalie for this game though lets the players off the hook that were lazy and or careless after being told to keep their focus in the 2nd period and then didn't.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Do you think Holtby and Peters will continue to have sub .900 save pctgs?

If so we will be in trouble.

However I think they bounce back and start making saves. We aren't playing that bad.

To me, that's the issue right now. If they get better goaltending, they're winning a few of those losses.

Still feels like Holtby is a hot mess anytime you get traffic in front of him. Skaters will make mistakes. Your goalie MUST bail you out when the game is on the line sometimes or you're not going to win a lot at this level.

 

[BobRouse]

To me, that's the issue right now. If they get better goaltending, they're winning a few of those losses.

Still feels like Holtby is a hot mess anytime you get traffic in front of him. Skaters will make mistakes. Your goalie MUST bail you out when the game is on the line sometimes or you're not going to win a lot at this level.

Yeah I agree thats been the biggest issue.

We have not been getting bailed out at all. Every good chance goes in and at least 1 bad goal per game goes in on top of that.

But that said all goalies go through rough stretches. I expect ours will bounce back.

If they are this bad as the season goes on then something has to be done. For now its part of the ebbs and flows.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

And some may never grasp the distinction between correlation and causation.

This guy gets it....

 

[strungout]

Start by who doesn't fit the description of making the same mistakes or doing the minimum and taking shortcuts. The only players that are largely playing at a respectable level are Green, Schmidt and maybe Wilson. Otherwise there's complacency up and down the roster. Carlzner in particular have disappointed overall IMO.

He emphasized the poor finish to the second period and the culprits there were Carlson, Ovechkin and perhaps Alzner (not really sure what the hell he was doing).

Trotz didn't want to get into the goaltending much but they need their goaltender to be the better one in net. It's been a while since that's been the case (not that they generally make it miserable on the opposition goaltender either).

Those top shelf goals that killed them were all on Peters. Just brutal goals and a case him him going down WAY to early. Granted....great shots...but still.

Alzner is an interesting player in terms of...he could easily get himself traded for not playing up to standards....and really excel somewhere else. Or pick his **** up here and play really well. He needs a mean streak to develop...which isnt something you really develop.

Carslon is just flat out dumb sometimes. Cant fix dumb.

 

[Midnight Judges]

Peters looked mediocre at best tonight.

You're being generous IMO. The guy was terrible.