Who would you take - Erik Karlsson vs Kris Letang?

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Lindgren sucks.

The perception of him seems to be that he covers while Fox plays offense. The reality is, he shits himself while Fox does everything.

I would be very ok with Fox in a defensive role.

One down year and he sucks? You’re better than that.

 

[Machinehead]

One down year and he sucks? You’re better than that.

It's not one down year. It's the natural conclusion of a very silly pair we made.

He's not a good skater, he has no offensive talent at all, he's bad at transition, and he's 5 foot nothing.

He has no attributes outside of being Fox's partner.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

It's not one down year. It's the natural conclusion of a very silly pair we made.

He's not a good skater, he has no offensive talent at all, he's bad at transition, and he's 5 foot nothing.

He has no attributes outside of being Fox's partner.

It actually is literally only one bad year. You’re assuming a 26 year old’s career is concluding based on, again, one bad year.

And whether he’s paired with Fox should have nothing to do with whether we conclude that he sucks or not. Of course, Fox will help him out, but you don’t have to pair the two together. He should be assessed independent of Fox. And they haven’t been paired together this year and Lindgren has gotten more than okay results so far with a lot worse of a partner. The idea he sucks doesn’t make a ton of sense.

 

[Crow]

Taking Karlsson due to less years and age.

39-41 year old letang? Yikes

 

[AvroArrow]

As a Pens fan, I'll take the guy who is NHL level player.. Letang AINEC Karlsson's defense is by far the worst i've ever seen in my life.. and i'm watching Finnish Liiga as well.

It's been that way his entire career, Sens nation comes after me with pitch forks every time I mentioned it. Guy is straight up horrendous defensively, no defensive IQ, can't check with his stick or body, almost always out of position.

If we're looking at only defensive capabilities, he's one of the worst I have ever seen. Up there with Lebda and Gardiner.

 

[biturbo19]

It actually is literally only one bad year. You’re assuming a 26 year old’s career is concluding based on, again, one bad year.

And whether he’s paired with Fox should have nothing to do with whether we conclude that he sucks or not. Of course, Fox will help him out, but you don’t have to pair the two together. He should be assessed independent of Fox. And they haven’t been paired together this year and Lindgren has gotten more than okay results so far with a lot worse of a partner. The idea he sucks doesn’t make a ton of sense.

Like...at the risk of derailing this into an "Adam Fox is overrated" type thread...

If Lindgren is so bad, why do most partners seem to have more goals scored for than against, when he's on the ice with them?

I don't even really understand the Rangers blueline if you look at it from a purely statistical perspective...and it's had this whole curveball thrown at it this year where they randomly cycled it around in the pairings. But Lindgren to me at least...feels like, and looks statistically like, pretty much the human player equivalent of "50-50".



Putting Karlsson on the ice with Fox sounds like the sort of thing someone might do in a videogame because they don't know any better. But actually watching and understanding the game, it seems genuinely catastrophic for multiple reasons.