Proposal: Canucks - solidify Goaltending and Defense (H. Lindholm and B. Bishop)

[clunk]

I just knew there would be Nucks fans saying no to the Lindholm deal even though it's highway robbery.

Future full time #2 two way center, potential 1C, already a solid NHL player and probably future captain.

Future top 2 D, already a top 4 D who I think is truly going to be a #1 D. Watch him and you'll see what I mean.

for

a top pairing d-man right now who is still improving.

It's close, but certainly not a 'highway robbery' imo. Watch Hutton play.

Still wouldn't do it. Canucks don't have the depth to trade Horvat.

 

[LickTheEnvelope]

Uh... the Canucks have a problem with scoring... why would they want to deplete what little they have for more goaltending and defense?

 

[Nordic*]

You better go for the criminally underrated Fowler, straight up for Horvat.

 

[Ivan13]

Future full time #2 two way center, potential 1C, already a solid NHL player and probably future captain.

Future top 2 D, already a top 4 D who I think is truly going to be a #1 D. Watch him and you'll see what I mean.

for

a top pairing d-man right now who is still improving.

It's close, but certainly not a 'highway robbery' imo. Watch Hutton play.

Still wouldn't do it. Canucks don't have the depth to trade Horvat.

I've seen Hutton and he's not who you're selling him to be. It's fun to throw out the absolute ceiling of players and act like they'll reach it for sure, in reality it doesn't work like that.

It's two (very) good pieces and a 2nd rounder for an elite one, aka highway robbery. This isn't NHL 16.

 

[clunk]

I've seen Hutton and he's not who you're selling him to be. It's fun to throw out the absolute ceiling of players and act like they'll reach it for sure, in reality it doesn't work like that.

It's two (very) good pieces and a 2nd rounder for an elite one, aka highway robbery. This isn't NHL 16.

So how many times have you watched Ben Hutton play hockey?

 

[Arthuros]

Horvat doesn't have the same value to us as he does to you, I think. He would be valuable as a replacement to Kesler, but Kesler is still much better for a win-now team.

Lindholm is our one shot at having an elite 1D, and we're not giving it up for a 2C replacement and a middle-pairing defenceman. 2nd rounder doesn't make a lick of difference.

 

[Brock Radunske]

Canucks - solidify Goaltending and Defense (Lindholm and Bishop)

I am of the opinion that....

1) It's much more difficult to draft/trade for/sign a good defenseman than it is to draft/trade for/sign a good center or forward.

2) Successful teams typically (but not always) build from the net out.

I am a Canucks fan, and I absolutely love Bo Horvat, but if a guy like Horvat can be used in a packaged deal to land us Hampus Lindholm, I'd seriously consider it.

To Anaheim: Bo Horvat, Ben Hutton, 2nd.
To Vancouver: Hampus Lindholm.

To Tampa Bay: Jacob Markstrom, 1st round pick
To Vancouver: Ben Bishop

Losing Horvat, Hutton, Markstrom, plus high end picks would suck for obvious reasons, but consider the following:

A) Solidification in Net Long Term: With Bishop in net, the Canucks would likely be solidified in goal for a VERY long time. You can then allow Demko to develop slowly and comfortably. If Demko lives up to his promise, you can then move one of Bishop or Demko when the time comes.

B) Solidification on Defense Long Term: With Lindholm here, the Canucks would have one of the best defenseman in the league. In a few years, it's also possible that Olli Juolevi becomes a very good defenseman and adds to the defensive prowess.

Canucks - potential superstars on defense (or already are superstars)
-Lindholm
-Juolevi

Canucks - potential superstars in goal (or already are superstars)
-Bishop
-Demko

With the Canucks likely set in both net and on D for a very long time, the Canucks can then hyper-target forwards with drafting, signings, etc., etc. to round out their team. Moving Edler at some point to either recoup one of the high end picks or get help up front would be a good start.

No disrespect intended, but I'd hold on to that 1st with both hands, if I were you.

 

[Ivan13]

So how many times have you watched Ben Hutton play hockey?

Plenty (all the games against the Avalanche, all the games against the Habs and a handful more), and this is arguably the weakest argument ever on these boards.

 

[mytduxfan*]

Yet another unrealistic offer for arguably the best young D-man in the league right now (it's been Ekblad and Lindholm).

 

[Paul4587]

So we get an older, worse defenseman and a prospect who likely tops out as a 2C for a 22 year old top pairing defenseman?

Hutton and Horvat are decent pieces but not enough to yield a Lindholm. Hutton is decent but in reality it's unlikely his ceiling is as good as Lindholm is already.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Easy no from Anaheim. The Canucks quite simply do not have a piece that would get the Ducks to part with Lindholm.

 

[Spazkat]

I'd consider Horvat, Virtanen, and Hutton to be perfectly honest.

If the Ducks are looking for a more immediate piece on defense given their window, then do Horvat, Edler, and Virtanen.

Again - I don't want to upset my fellow Canuck fans as I also recognize the importance of prospect accumulation (especially at the stage we're at), but Lindholm is Lindholm.

Lindholm has a legit shot of being a Norris Trophy winner one day. At some point, even a rebuilding team has to consider the idea of trading 4 green houses for a red hotel.

Terrible deal for ANA, but I do love that analogy.

 

[Halla]

ducks probably ask for Juolevi+Horvat

 

[Halla]

Future full time #2 two way center, potential 1C, already a solid NHL player and probably future captain.

Future top 2 D, already a top 4 D who I think is truly going to be a #1 D. Watch him and you'll see what I mean.

for

a top pairing d-man right now who is still improving.

It's close, but certainly not a 'highway robbery' imo. Watch Hutton play.

Still wouldn't do it. Canucks don't have the depth to trade Horvat.

Wow. just wow. Ben Hutton as a #1D. the canucks will certaintly be racking up the lotto picks

 

[RobertKron]

Ducks do not do that deal and I do not see the Nucks doing the Bishop deal

Bishop is 10 months away from UFA and TB has their future number 1 on the roster

That absolutely sounds like something Benning would do.

 

[HydroF]

Vancouver's 1st rounder will very likely be a top 3 pick. Adding Ben Bishop isn't enough to change that for them. If I was TB, I would go for this. They would have some of the best odds in the league of grabbing 1OA. Not like their window is going to be closing any time soon. A current cup contender grabbing one of the top draft picks would ridiculous.

I hear you on the perspective of rebuilding from net out, but maybe it would be better to target a goalie that is younger and not about to go UFA. You're potentially giving up a top 3 pick for essentially nothing in this deal.

 

[clunk]

Plenty (all the games against the Avalanche, all the games against the Habs and a handful more), and this is arguably the weakest argument ever on these boards.

Wow. just wow. Ben Hutton as a #1D. the canucks will certaintly be racking up the lotto picks

Can't wait to link this thread in 2-3 years.

 

[go4hockey]

That is a junk offer for Lindholm and would not even get the Ducks to talk to you. I don't think Van has the pieces to pry him from the Ducks.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Canucks - solidify Goaltending and Defense (Lindholm and Bishop)

I am of the opinion that....

1) It's much more difficult to draft/trade for/sign a good defenseman than it is to draft/trade for/sign a good center or forward.

2) Successful teams typically (but not always) build from the net out.

I am a Canucks fan, and I absolutely love Bo Horvat, but if a guy like Horvat can be used in a packaged deal to land us Hampus Lindholm, I'd seriously consider it.

To Anaheim: Bo Horvat, Ben Hutton, 2nd.
To Vancouver: Hampus Lindholm.

To Tampa Bay: Jacob Markstrom, 1st round pick
To Vancouver: Ben Bishop

Losing Horvat, Hutton, Markstrom, plus high end picks would suck for obvious reasons, but consider the following:

A) Solidification in Net Long Term: With Bishop in net, the Canucks would likely be solidified in goal for a VERY long time. You can then allow Demko to develop slowly and comfortably. If Demko lives up to his promise, you can then move one of Bishop or Demko when the time comes.

B) Solidification on Defense Long Term: With Lindholm here, the Canucks would have one of the best defenseman in the league. In a few years, it's also possible that Olli Juolevi becomes a very good defenseman and adds to the defensive prowess.

Canucks - potential superstars on defense (or already are superstars)
-Lindholm
-Juolevi

Canucks - potential superstars in goal (or already are superstars)
-Bishop
-Demko

With the Canucks likely set in both net and on D for a very long time, the Canucks can then hyper-target forwards with drafting, signings, etc., etc. to round out their team. Moving Edler at some point to either recoup one of the high end picks or get help up front would be a good start.

Ducks say No and Bishop isn't waiving his NMC for Vancouer neither Anaheim nor Tampa do this.

 

[Ivan13]

Can't wait to link this thread in 2-3 years.

Somehow I doubt you'll be linking anything.

 

[go4hockey]

That is a junk offer for Lindholm and would not even get the Ducks to talk to you. I don't think Van has the pieces to pry him from the Ducks.

 

[Bettman Returnz]

No point... We may as well wait for Demko and Juolevi to develop.

 

[TruGr1t]

Canucks aren't allowed to make anymore moves. Incompetence clause.

 

[HowSweeeedeItIs]

Brutal for both Tampa and Ducks

 

[WhatWhat]

Wouldn't do the Lindholm deal. I honestly think Hutton is going to be better...

You'd be crazy to not do it. That is a terrible offer for Anaheim