Torres is a giant piece of shit? What did he do for you to say that?
Torres retired after a controversial career that included a 41-game suspension for an illegal check to the head of Jakob Silfverberg of the Anaheim Ducks. This was the longest suspension in NHL history for a hit on another player. Torres never played another NHL game after the suspension and was unsigned in free agency.
Torres was also fined three times and suspended five times for a total of 74 games.
He plays the game with a lot more honor than Matt Cooke.i see him as the latest in a continuum from young matt cooke, pre-sedins burrows, honey badger, roussel, and motte
man it’s been too long since we’ve had a guy like that
but also, man i loved the young matt cooke
Well Cooke had no honor lolHe plays the game with a lot more honor than Matt Cooke.
Hell of a good signing along with Lankinen. Debrusk and Heinen look solid.
Maybe I would have picked different words to describe him but:
I dont think that makes any sense at all to separate.I would separate the player from the person. I see you're referring to his on ice headhunting.
I dont think that makes any sense at all to separate.
Another notch in our fanbases favourite type of player. Dont have to be the most skilled, just try and give your allNot even ten games into the year and Chief Kief is already somewhat of a folk hero in Vancouver lmfao. You love to see it. What an absurdly good pickup for 1.5 mil.
Did I say that?So how someone is like on the ice 100% defines how a person is off the ice?
Did I say that?
Another notch in our fanbases favourite type of player. Dont have to be the most skilled, just try and give your all
You add it all up.You said "dont think that makes any sense at all to separate" [the player from the person].
Why don't you explain what you mean if interpreted your post wrong.
You add it all up.
You are just ignoring the player side? Its not like what happens in the rink is fiction.
I would understand if he was Joffrey from Game of Thrones.
Is it possible to say someone is a great person but a mean drunk?Hypothetically, let's go with "you add it all up." How much do you apportion a player's on-ice "illegal" checks to the head vs how the player treats his teammates on the ice, locker room, and off the ice vs how the player is as as human being off the ice?
And what do you think of enforcers whose job involves intimidating/bullying other players and punching someone's face repeatedly/hurting people?
Hockey, like other sports, is just a game. Will you celebrate your hockey hero if he is a rapist and or murderer?
Is it impossible to say that a player is a great person but a dirty hockey player (I'm saying this generally)?
Is it possible to say someone is a great person but a mean drunk?
Ok. So we disagree on a very fundamental level on this then.Yes I think so.
Not being evasive at all.Now answer my questions instead of being evasive. Thanks.
Ok. So we disagree on a very fundamental level on this then.
Not being evasive at all.
Why on earth would I???
We just found out where our way of seeing the world differes by a wide margin. So my question, that was lead from your original post, actually got us to the end much faster.
Hypothetically, let's go with "you add it all up." How much do you apportion a player's on-ice "illegal" checks to the head vs how the player treats his teammates on the ice, locker room, and off the ice vs how the player is as as human being off the ice?
And what do you think of enforcers whose job involves intimidating/bullying other players and punching someone's face repeatedly/hurting people?
Hockey, like other sports, is just a game. Will you celebrate your hockey hero if he is a rapist and or murderer?
Is it impossible to say that a player is a great person but a dirty hockey player (I'm saying this generally)?
Sounds about right.I think there probably needs to be some nuance to this. I don’t think being a shit disturber on the ice makes you a bad person (say, a Burrows type), but I think it’s hard to defend guys who constantly cross the line and endanger others. Just like being a bit of a dick at times when someone drinks doesn’t make them a bad person but being an abusive drunk does.
I would separate the player from the person. I see you're referring to his on ice headhunting.
Just escaping condemnation is one thing, but it went so much farther. Some of the most violent players were literal folk heroes and it would have made the jukebox record scratch to a stop if anyone said they were shitty people. For example, Marty McSorely before poleaxing Brashear.Guys like Scott Stevens were lucky enough to retire before this shift happened
Back when I played a ton of EANHL a decade ago one of the guys on our team was a cop. I used to revel in hitting my bong audibly over the team mic.Dude has as many hits in a game just like how many hits I hit my bong in each eanhl games back in the day.