Rumor: Canucks: Should I stay or should I go? Pete stays and Miller goes!

[Nona Di Giuseppe]

I understand the league just fine. I just think it's interesting you're rushing to let your front office off the hook for a trade that they're going to lose and have started on damage control mode before it's even made.

Miller scored 100 points last year. It doesn't matter that he's old or a piece of shit, that is worth a lot. Particularly for a team starving for offense and star power. It wasn't that long ago that you lot had him in the same tier of player as Leon Draisaitl, and Miller has been a toxic POS for years now. That won't be news to anyone. You guys also said he was a bargain at his cap hit. His age won't matter to a team that wants to win now. That leaves... what, trade restrictions? Half the damn league has trade restrictions.

And yes, it's funny, as a fan of a rival team it's downright f***in hilarious. If it was us that this was happening to you guys would be downright cackling with glee. It's even funnier now that you're getting so worked up about it in a quest to justify your front office getting fleeced before they've even been fleeced.

what are you even debating here? your lack of understanding of perceived value? or trying to convince canucks fans to hope for a bigger return (that definitely makes no sense) because....? either way you are not using any logic here

 

[centipede2233]

Nemec is a RD to

 

[Monsieur Verdoux]

...didn't say Jersey should do it...just that the cost would be him if they want Miller, imo...

Chytil, 1st and Lindgren or a prospect (Sykora, Chmelar or someone like that) was the rumored offer from the Rangers. So why the Devils should pay Mercer and Nemec for Miller? I mean Chytil, 1st and Lindgren or a prospect << Mercer and Nemec.

The Devils can make similar package without sacrificing Nemec.

 

[HuGort]

Kotkaneimi and Canes first be good trade

 

[its not that serious]

I like Miller and think he is a very good player, but he is being consistently overrated in terms of trade value. Currently 31, making 8 million/year until he's 37. He's not likely* to produce like he did nor at that cap value for several years of that remaining term. His reputation might weaken his value, his potential demands for trade location might weaken his value and the endless media drama might weaken the Canucks leverage.

The rumors/speculation about the possible returns in a trade with the Devils and Rangers are not popular with Canucks fans here it seems. If something like those rumors come true, Vancouver fans are going to be disappointed and they're probably going to be winners of this trade within a year or two.

 

[SlyIslands]

Chytil, 1st and Lindgren or a prospect (Sykora, Chmelar or someone like that) was the rumored offer from the Rangers. So why the Devils should pay Mercer and Nemec for Miller? I mean Chytil, 1st and Lindgren or a prospect << Mercer and Nemec.

The Devils can make similar package without sacrificing Nemec.

You do know that the trade didn't happen because it was deemed to not be enough

 

[Habs Halifax]

I like Miller and think he is a very good player, but he is being consistently overrated in terms of trade value. Currently 31, making 8 million/year until he's 37. He's not likely* to produce like he did nor at that cap value for several years of that remaining term. His reputation might weaken his value, his potential demands for trade location might weaken his value and the endless media drama might weaken the Canucks leverage.

The rumors/speculation about the possible returns in a trade with the Devils and Rangers are not popular with Canucks fans here it seems. If something like those rumors come true, Vancouver fans are going to be disappointed and they're probably going to be winners of this trade within a year or two.

Miller has trade value no doubt but yes, it's a 31-37 with a NMC and a high cap hit. He's not showing signs of slowing down with his skating and compete level so the next 4/5 years should be great hockey IMO. It's the 35+ years I would have concerns about.

Canucks don't want a little retool or setback. They want to remain competitive so they give Hughes good reason to stay. I'm not sure if they get in the playoffs but what I can see happening is they consider some moves this offseason to improve the team. They don't have to trade Miller and they have time to figure this out.

 

[FlyguyOX]

Chytil, 1st and Lindgren or a prospect (Sykora, Chmelar or someone like that) was the rumored offer from the Rangers. So why the Devils should pay Mercer and Nemec for Miller? I mean Chytil, 1st and Lindgren or a prospect << Mercer and Nemec.

The Devils can make similar package without sacrificing Nemec.

Yeah that's a super crap return for VAN. Would be a firestorm

You do know that the trade didn't happen because it was deemed to not be enough

No, it was reported that it was because of disagreement on the protections for the 1st round pick.

 

[stats1]

So JT’s salary and cap hit keeps getting brought up, what isn’t getting brought up is the cap is likely going up over 100 million in the next few years. 8 million for top 6 player like JT doesn’t seem like such a hard number to fit in on a contending team. I think this thing could get dragged into the summer. It allows other teams who may not be involved in talks to open up cap space

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

JTs gonna be so impressed with Mika’s hair and euro DJ turntables, it’s gonna be a great fit, can’t wait

 

[Devilsfan118]

/thread (as far as the Devils' interest)

Also you guys are f***ing crazy if you think a recent 2OA potential top-2 dman is the cost for a 31 year old with a huge cap hit.

 

[kvladimir]

Agreed that Nemec should be a non-starter for NJ. Mercer I'm not so sure. Miller would be a very good add for them, what with his versatility to play wing and C, plus PP prowess.

I see it like this (coming from a Canucks fan), with assumptions on what NJ and CAR would be willing to pay:

Kotkaniemi, Drury, Morrow > Mercer, Tatar, 2nd, 2nd/3rd > Chytil, Lindgren, 1st

If these offers are made (I'm sure they haven't been, but perhaps they will be), I take CAR's, probably sending a B prospect back with Miller (Klimovich, as has been suggested, would work, as would Kudryatsev/Mynio)

Now, if CAR wants Roslovic in place of Drury, or isn't willing to offer Morrow, I'd pivot to NJ's deal. I suggested Mercer as a potential C replacement long term (he's a RH, too), but it sounds like he's probably most effective a a winger, so maybe then VAN could pivot to dealing Boeser, and using the return on that + some of NJ's picks to acquire a C. Someone ideally young and controlled, or someone with term, like Ryan O'Reilly (also suggested previously, him and Schenn would be an interesting target).

 

[roryjones]

I see Dallas being mentioned. What would the ask be from Dallas? I don’t feel it’s hard for anyone to beat Chytil, Lindgren and a conditional 1st.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

 

[SirSamofHouseBennett]

While I think the rumoured NYR offer is not great, many of you are really sleeping on Chytil. The concern with him isn’t his NHL calibre ability, it’s his injury issues lately.

The yuck of this offer is Lindgren. He is just more of what they already have in Juulson and a UFA too.

Change Lindgren to KAM and that’s an offer worth considering and likely an offer NYR won’t agree to.

 

[Viking10]

I see Dallas being mentioned. What would the ask be from Dallas? I don’t feel it’s hard for anyone to beat Chytil, Lindgren and a conditional 1st.

Would Dallas go after Pettersson?

 

[roryjones]

Would Dallas go after Pettersson?

Everything depends on the price. Probably would cost too much for Pettersson however.

 

[robbieberns]

As a Canes fan saying this knowing it won’t have any impact on real world negotiations, Kotkaniemi sucks. People will say he’s a defensively responsible guy who is capable at face offs and will be serviceable as a 3C, or that he’s a u25 player who still has time on his side to develop and bloom. Fact of the matter is he just doesn’t have it and if a deal gets done where he’s the center piece coming back for moving on from Miller, Nucks fans need to pray the rest of the deal makes up for it.

Just kidding, he scored both goals and won us the game. Think a one for one deal makes more sense after last night’s performance.

 

[kvladimir]

Would Dallas go after Pettersson?

I suspect Pettersson is 100% off the table, unless VAN deals Miller relatively soon, and Pettersson does not substantially turn his season around the rest of the way. Then, in June, you might get to maybe...

 

[Viking10]

Everything depends on the price. Probably would cost too much for Pettersson however.

Would want Johnston back, I think Pettersson will thrive either under a new coach in Vancouver or with a trade to a team with less media attention.

If JT gets traded EP will be the guy under fire big time if he doesn’t produce.

Maybe Anaheim or Columbus takes a swing at EP? They both got lots of young assets

 

[Viking10]

I suspect Pettersson is 100% off the table, unless VAN deals Miller relatively soon, and Pettersson does not substantially turn his season around the rest of the way. Then, in June, you might get to maybe...

The coach seems at his wits end with EP. So either the team trades him or brings in yet another coach while still making some roster moves.

Canucks GM is terrible at resigning his players… Hronek not a fan especially with his contract try to move him imo. Signing EP when he played like dog shit last year…should’ve made a trade last year…

The GM needs to start getting some heat for his decisions, never liked the hire. Wasted tons of assets last year knee jerk moves that the owner liked for playoff revenue.

Fix it soon or why would Quinn Hughes want to sign an extension…

 

[roryjones]

Would want Johnston back, I think Pettersson will thrive either under a new coach in Vancouver or with a trade to a team with less media attention.

If JT gets traded EP will be the guy under fire big time if he doesn’t produce.

Maybe Anaheim or Columbus takes a swing at EP? They both got lots of young assets

And that is where the deal dies. Johnston is a hard no.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

what are you even debating here? your lack of understanding of perceived value? or trying to convince canucks fans to hope for a bigger return (that definitely makes no sense) because....? either way you are not using any logic here

trading a player of Miller's caliber for bits and pieces and junk (not even a 1st in the post that was being discussed) would be a complete failure from Van management.

Kotkaniemi, Roslovic, Suzuki the Lesser and a 2nd? I despise the Canucks but they have GOT to do better than that.

 

[krutovsdonut]

I understand the league just fine. I just think it's interesting you're rushing to let your front office off the hook for a trade that they're going to lose and have started on damage control mode before it's even made.

Miller scored 100 points last year. It doesn't matter that he's old or a piece of shit, that is worth a lot. Particularly for a team starving for offense and star power. It wasn't that long ago that you lot had him in the same tier of player as Leon Draisaitl, and Miller has been a toxic POS for years now. That won't be news to anyone. You guys also said he was a bargain at his cap hit. His age won't matter to a team that wants to win now. That leaves... what, trade restrictions? Half the damn league has trade restrictions.

And yes, it's funny, as a fan of a rival team it's downright f***in hilarious. If it was us that this was happening to you guys would be downright cackling with glee. It's even funnier now that you're getting so worked up about it in a quest to justify your front office getting fleeced before they've even been fleeced.

a lot of what you are attributing to the team is outside noise they cannot control rather than what is actually happening. you could fault them for not cultivating a lapdog local media to control the narrative i suppose but the majority of the current media noise comes from the east coast and twitter is twitter, and the current canuck regime has been woodshedding the local media since they arrived. plus, vancouver is a major sophisticated city and does not have a chip on its shoulder. you just do not have the control over media coverage you can achieve in smaller more parochial markets that have third rate media talent covering hockey who can be bought with free nachos and a fanbase which has a natural mentality to automatically close ranks against outsiders.

as to the actual situation, it's obviously more subtle than you think. the team quit on the ice a couple of games ago, forcing management to react. they had another pathetic outing last night. they are potentially going to lose other players over miller and maybe the coach and down the road hughes is on radar. they may have to make a damage control move to staunch the bleeding

i think they have had a brutal series of choices. just look at the fact they seriously investigated moving pettersson and publicly said so, a guy they signed for $11m longterm half a minute ago. a situation bad enough that this would be a choice to consider is not something that puts you in a strong bargaining position.

 

[Canadian Canuck]

C'mon man, there is no universe where the Devils are trading both Mercer and Nemec for a 32 year old Miller.

I mean…that 32 player is coming off two near 100 point seasons and would make NJ a serious contender for the next 3 years.

Chytil, 1st and Lindgren or a prospect (Sykora, Chmelar or someone like that) was the rumored offer from the Rangers. So why the Devils should pay Mercer and Nemec for Miller? I mean Chytil, 1st and Lindgren or a prospect << Mercer and Nemec.

The Devils can make similar package without sacrificing Nemec.

Because there’s a reason the trade didn’t go through, it wasn’t enough.