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Your entire argument is based upon the assumption that Demko will be healthy and reliable to play a starter's workload, which is a fool's errand based on his history and career trajection. Lankinen and a Mcelhinney ish backup is enough to win in this league

Win what? There's no winning of significance here without Demko.

They found Lankinen. They can find another capable back-up (or could have).

What they need is every extra dollar they have going towards the forward corps. That's the only way they right the ship here. Lankinen's contract impedes them from doing so while doing little to assuage the goaltending concerns long-term. The top end of which will still be decided by Demko.
 
Win what? There's no winning of significance here without Demko.

They found Lankinen. They can find another capable back-up (or could have).

What they need is every extra dollar they have going towards the forward corps. That's the only way they right the ship here. Lankinen's contract impedes them from doing so while doing little to assuage the goaltending concerns long-term. The top end of which will still be decided by Demko.
This theory works assuming they are moving on from Demko this offseason. Namely at the draft. Wouldn't surprise me. The team knows more about his long-term health than anyone else.
 
I really don’t like the Lankinen extension.

It tis a long one. 5 more years at $4,5. What else should we have done though? Rock and a hard place. He should be movable at that cap in a couple years if need be.

The defense looks pretty solid, but when you step back and look at the whole team, they feel miles away from Colorado, Dallas, or Vegas. You can't keep patching things up forever—you need a steady flow of prospects. We’re lacking that because the owner doesn’t care about draft picks. This franchise thinks waiting 2–3 years for prospects to develop is pointless, and they also think accumulating picks as currency is stupid

Yup, nailed it. Been like this in Canada for as long as I can remember. Ottawa and now Montreal finally committing to it but we just continually throw first and second rounders away for a slim chance at ... something?

Right, and no one is expecting a Vezina calibre 70 game performance from Lankinen.

He's a low end starter/high end back up that will ultimately become superfluous once Demko is healthy. Therefore, the money spent on him was better spent elsewhere.

If Demko is healthy ,,, big if
 
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The problem is with where the Canucks are now. Those draft picks as players are not helping for at least three years with where we are picking, and at that point we probably don’t have Hughes. It would be nice to have a steady stream of prospects… and we do, not the high end ones here people would like, but we have lots of depth guys.

That isn’t a bad thing to have it means you can turn over lower end guys and not pay them the big bucks. But we need to make some moves to bring in offensive talent. It has to happen, and if the right trade comes and that’s at the cost of our first. You pull the damn trigger.
 
The problem is with where the Canucks are now. Those draft picks as players are not helping for at least three years with where we are picking, and at that point we probably don’t have Hughes. It would be nice to have a steady stream of prospects… and we do, not the high end ones here people would like, but we have lots of depth guys.

That isn’t a bad thing to have it means you can turn over lower end guys and not pay them the big bucks. But we need to make some moves to bring in offensive talent. It has to happen, and if the right trade comes and that’s at the cost of our first. You pull the damn trigger.

They are stuck in the middle because they now have to somewhat start hedging that Hughes may leave and trigger a full-scale rebuild. I wouldn't doubt they move the 2025 1st, but I do doubt they move any 1st or 2nd rounders in future drafts beyond that. They also are clearly very against moving their top two prospects. That leaves you in a heck of a position, they can bascially move roster players, farm guys, or B prospects. Given the UFA class is dire, this is not a great spot at all.
 
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They are stuck in the middle because they now have to somewhat start hedging that Hughes may leave and trigger a full-scale rebuild. I wouldn't doubt they move the 2025 1st, but I do doubt they move any 1st or 2nd rounders in future drafts beyond that. They also are clearly very against moving their top two prospects. That leaves you in a heck of a position, they can bascially move roster players, farm guys, or B prospects. Given the UFA class is dire, this is not a great spot at all.

I didn’t say it was a good spot, but it’s not realistic for people to be saying draft and develop at this stage. I also don’t think it’s as dire as some think.
 
Here is your daily reminder that every contract with term signed post-Christmas and beyond is going to be inflated by ~20% to accommodate the projected cap raise.

Would you be OK with signing Lankinen to a 5x 3.5 in the current 88m cap? Cool, because that is exactly the same deal as 4.5m in a 113m cap environment.

He is being a paid as a 1b. Fans just haven't wrapped their heads around the new numbers yet.
 
Win what? There's no winning of significance here without Demko.

They found Lankinen. They can find another capable back-up (or could have).

What they need is every extra dollar they have going towards the forward corps. That's the only way they right the ship here. Lankinen's contract impedes them from doing so while doing little to assuage the goaltending concerns long-term. The top end of which will still be decided by Demko.
I think Demko is not physically capable of playing more than 40 games + playoffs.
You have 2 option, you get rid of Demko and get a better backup or you keep Demko and limit him to like 40 games and play him full time during the playoffs and hope he doesn’t break with that type of usage.

The latter had higher upside because rested Demko and Lankinen can potentially give us 82 games of high end goaltending.
 
This theory works assuming they are moving on from Demko this offseason. Namely at the draft. Wouldn't surprise me. The team knows more about his long-term health than anyone else.

Agreed. It makes sense under the premise that Demko is gone.

There is an outside chance he takes significantly less on his next deal to work within a tandem, but I doubt it.

I think Demko is not physically capable of playing more than 40 games + playoffs.
You have 2 option, you get rid of Demko and get a better backup or you keep Demko and limit him to like 40 games and play him full time during the playoffs and hope he doesn’t break with that type of usage.

The latter had higher upside because rested Demko and Lankinen can potentially give us 82 games of high end goaltending.

Keeping Demko relies on him taking a contract to complement the tandem.
 
They are stuck in the middle because they now have to somewhat start hedging that Hughes may leave and trigger a full-scale rebuild. I wouldn't doubt they move the 2025 1st, but I do doubt they move any 1st or 2nd rounders in future drafts beyond that. They also are clearly very against moving their top two prospects. That leaves you in a heck of a position, they can bascially move roster players, farm guys, or B prospects. Given the UFA class is dire, this is not a great spot at all.

Hedging haha. This team as constructed and with a lack of assets is full speed ahead into that rebuild, by default.

But yes everything you said is spot on.

Thats why the Petey NMC is the worst possible timing. We still likely have one more kick at this can. Probably going to trade our 1st to assist it. Probably end up in the exact same spot we are today because we need alot more than whatever a 1st and some hail mary UFA signings will do.

I call it now. The damage that will be done scraping a team together over the next calendar year, is going to set this team back another half decade. And round we go.

Starting with the NYR 1st we're actually already trending BAD.
 
Here is your daily reminder that every contract with term signed post-Christmas and beyond is going to be inflated by ~20% to accommodate the projected cap raise.

Would you be OK with signing Lankinen to a 5x 3.5 in the current 88m cap? Cool, because that is exactly the same deal as 4.5m in a 113m cap environment.

He is being a paid as a 1b. Fans just haven't wrapped their heads around the new numbers yet.

Yeah, he's a player that if they predict will stay in the league should always have value. He's either a very good backup or capable of being a starter if any team is in a pinch. Or, in our case a great player to have if Demko can or may not return. People upset at the signing maybe don't get they're going to have to wait and see what Demko can even do. You can't even move him if he's unhealthy. This is a perfect hedge and they won't even think beyond next year at this point. Maybe in the summer when it's more clear.

They are stuck in the middle because they now have to somewhat start hedging that Hughes may leave and trigger a full-scale rebuild. I wouldn't doubt they move the 2025 1st, but I do doubt they move any 1st or 2nd rounders in future drafts beyond that. They also are clearly very against moving their top two prospects. That leaves you in a heck of a position, they can bascially move roster players, farm guys, or B prospects. Given the UFA class is dire, this is not a great spot at all.

Things change from year to year. This is an instance where they shouldn't panic to try and be competitive next year. Take the time to acquire the best players possible whether it's next offseason or the following TDL, or the next next offseason, or next next TDL. Trying to win it all next year to claim Quinn's heart is going to leave us without a hope in hell. We already have a very good defence set for years. Now build the top 6 one brick and trade one first rounder at a time if necessary.
 
Something a bunch of people havent noticed..

Of all the teams that maybe wont spend to the Cap due to Trumpenomics or the CDN dollar or any of the other reasons ive seen listed, its actually US.

Frankie took over 2,000,000 to the trade deadline grave.

Allvin screwed over every single ELC eligible player all year.

We hsd 13,000,000 space prorated on deadline day.

A retention spot for a 2025 UFA, went to dust.

Now I know we were caught holding our junk thinking Brock was going to need that retention. I know not many players went third party this year. I know if the wheels didnt fell off, every penny of that was earmarked for MPetey, likely with our own 1st, since training camp.

But just as easy as everyone can scream Anaheim wont spend to the cap, I have doubts we even will.
 
Things change from year to year. This is an instance where they shouldn't panic to try and be competitive next year. Take the time to acquire the best players possible whether it's next offseason or the following TDL, or the next next offseason, or next next TDL. Trying to win it all next year to claim Quinn's heart is going to leave us without a hope in hell. We already have a very good defence set for years. Now build the top 6 one brick and trade one first rounder at a time if necessary.

This is clearly what they are going to try to do, though.
 
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Things change from year to year. This is an instance where they shouldn't panic to try and be competitive next year. Take the time to acquire the best players possible whether it's next offseason or the following TDL, or the next next offseason, or next next TDL. Trying to win it all next year to claim Quinn's heart is going to leave us without a hope in hell. We already have a very good defence set for years. Now build the top 6 one brick and trade one first rounder at a time if necessary.
Losing teams should not spend to the cap, it restricts management's flexibility.

Maybe lost on some posters/fans is the cap increase and it's effects on FA.
Every team except for Vancouver and maybe another will not have that increase due to 5.55 mil already spent on the buyouts.
BUT it also allows all the really good teams the ability to make offers for the best FAs to play on contending teams.
Name the best FA available and there is a cup contender that can make a 9+ mill offer now to play on an established winner. They may have to trade away a player they can afford to lose to a team like Vancouver so they have the added cap space but Vancouver cannot say no to ANY offered player because the skill depth is so lacking. They offer up their 3rd line center and he becomes the Canucks second or maybe even first center immediately, then they sign the best FA player(s).

Teams will offer up players that can't meet their teams demands.
Chytl was a marginal 3C on the Rangers, he had skill but also a glass jaw, they were relieved to move him so management didn't have to deal with or feel responsible for a career ending hit. He had skill but too many concussions. That shows the desperation of the Canucks.

This draft, if the team doesn't trade down, might be okay to deal the 1rst due to it;s lack of depth but there isn't a team that is going to help the Canucks for that 1rst unless the Canucks take on a bad contract for an older player.

Build the forward lines through two drafts IMO, less than a year to retool.
I really liked Hughes performance back east, it shows his trade value for a full game, he might be worth multiple 1rsts and players, maybe even beyond Lemieux and Lindros levels of trades. Can't count Gretzky because there was a 25 million dollar payment included in that one.
Showing how he did in the Ranger game added immensely to his trade value. Hopefully it is an eastern team that gets McKenna next year so he is part of a trade package.
One player traded and maybe all this teams lack of drafting solved and no tank needed.
 
Something a bunch of people havent noticed..

Of all the teams that maybe wont spend to the Cap due to Trumpenomics or the CDN dollar or any of the other reasons ive seen listed, its actually US.

Frankie took over 2,000,000 to the trade deadline grave.

Allvin screwed over every single ELC eligible player all year.

We hsd 13,000,000 space prorated on deadline day.

A retention spot for a 2025 UFA, went to dust.

Now I know we were caught holding our junk thinking Brock was going to need that retention. I know not many players went third party this year. I know if the wheels didnt fell off, every penny of that was earmarked for MPetey, likely with our own 1st, since training camp.

But just as easy as everyone can scream Anaheim wont spend to the cap, I have doubts we even will.

We will be a cap team next year, guaranteed.

We aren't under right now for the sake of saving money.
 
Agreed. It makes sense under the premise that Demko is gone.

There is an outside chance he takes significantly less on his next deal to work within a tandem, but I doubt it.



Keeping Demko relies on him taking a contract to complement the tandem.
We are probably going to have to keep Demko next season anyways. Who the f*** is going to take on a 5M goalie that missed one whole season?
 
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Yep do the same as the other 50+ years and expect something different.

The gun is smoking, the bullet has already been fired.

It’s kind of hilarious watching each poster insist they can find the bullet and casing, and can shove it back down the barrel.

The dollar is at like 60 cents USD. Last time that happened, Canada lost two franchises to America. Might as well just call ourselves the Grizzlies and raise a massive white flag above Rogers Arena.
 
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