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andora said:
So you're telling me there's no chance

I'm too lazy to insert a Jim Carrey picture
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Got you

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supercanuck said:
I feel Bennett is the guy we will go hard after. He's the type of top 6 that Tocc would love
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I think the Canucks will absolutely target big fish like Marner, Ehlers, Bennett, etc. Both because it fills a need, but also, after a disaster season, the Canucks want to sell hope to both their players and their fans.

Whether any of them can be enticed to come here is another matter.

I also agree that, if Tocchet were in charge, Bennett would likely be his No. 1 target.
 
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rypper said:
Let's all be very very clear, the Canucks lose any trade involving Quinn Hughes going the other way.
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Only in the immediate time frame if they get Mckenna in a return and he ends up being another Celebrini, Bedard or JHughes.

A poster mentioned the dollar, that supports my idea of getting a couple of top draft picks under cap control until tariffs are lifted or equalized and the dollar goes up.

Trade Hughes and what he will be offered by other clubs, upt to 20 mil USD, will over the 30+ mil it will cost in Canada.
In my idea the team has two star level, maybe even super star level players for their first 7 years well under 8 mil a season, with the first three under a mil.
They retain Pettersson and hope he does return to form, that is the chancy part but not a game breaker, he has a cap hit that can be handled if other moves are made. Maybe even retention later in the contract if necessary.
I have OCD about getting Misa and Mckenna for the forwards at any costs.
I want the team to plan ahead and take control of the Hughes situation and make the best of it for the team and franchise. It might even break all records for a trade. Quebec/Colorado didn't do badly in the Lindros trade and that would be insignificant IMO in a Hughes deal.

The team is way under the cap but with studs in the line up for years, 4 in my estimation.
What does that change in the standings? Not much, no matter how good QH is the rest aren't near enough to be cup contenders every year. The cap increase, buy outs and falling dollar diminishes the team's competitiveness in getting top FAs signed here. Secondary ones maybe but short term careers left. Trades will be for other team's discards, players they have given up on or have other issues.

My plan would have the team no worse but in a better position for advancement in 16 months with a new younger core of players that can be added to with the cap space to take on a bad contract if needed to get more picks/prospects. The team would have 12 players under 25yrs old capable of playing at a time when Colorado, Dallas, Wild, Oilers, Kings and the Peg are in decline.

Without tanking next year. And if lucky the team still has next year's first which will add to the bounty.
 
AlainVigneaultsGum said:
I really, really hope we're aiming higher than Bennett. Good player, but his career year (this year), he's producing at a nearly identical rate to a much-maligned, half-hobbled Petey.

We need Marner or Ehlers.
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This is also why I’ve been in favour of keeping Boeser. There’s only a handful of players who can either bring what he brings or improve on it. Just about every other available forward is a downgrade.
 
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theguardianII said:
Only in the immediate time frame if they get Mckenna in a return and he ends up being another Celebrini, Bedard or JHughes.

A poster mentioned the dollar, that supports my idea of getting a couple of top draft picks under cap control until tariffs are lifted or equalized and the dollar goes up.

Trade Hughes and what he will be offered by other clubs, upt to 20 mil USD, will over the 30+ mil it will cost in Canada.
In my idea the team has two star level, maybe even super star level players for their first 7 years well under 8 mil a season, with the first three under a mil.
They retain Pettersson and hope he does return to form, that is the chancy part but not a game breaker, he has a cap hit that can be handled if other moves are made. Maybe even retention later in the contract if necessary.
I have OCD about getting Misa and Mckenna for the forwards at any costs.
I want the team to plan ahead and take control of the Hughes situation and make the best of it for the team and franchise. It might even break all records for a trade. Quebec/Colorado didn't do badly in the Lindros trade and that would be insignificant IMO in a Hughes deal.

The team is way under the cap but with studs in the line up for years, 4 in my estimation.
What does that change in the standings? Not much, no matter how good QH is the rest aren't near enough to be cup contenders every year. The cap increase, buy outs and falling dollar diminishes the team's competitiveness in getting top FAs signed here. Secondary ones maybe but short term careers left. Trades will be for other team's discards, players they have given up on or have other issues.

My plan would have the team no worse but in a better position for advancement in 16 months with a new younger core of players that can be added to with the cap space to take on a bad contract if needed to get more picks/prospects. The team would have 12 players under 25yrs old capable of playing at a time when Colorado, Dallas, Wild, Oilers, Kings and the Peg are in decline.

Without tanking next year. And if lucky the team still has next year's first which will add to the bounty.
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We've gone back and forth on this before, I don't see a team, knowing they have the 1st overall pick, trading it for Hughes.

Trading a cost controlled potential superstar for 1 more year of Hughes before his contract likely near doubles- if he even wants to re-sign wherever he's traded. It just doesn't happen.
 
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Mr. Canucklehead said:
This is also why I’ve been in favour of keeping Boeser. There’s only a handful of players who can either bring what he brings or improve on it. Just about every other available forward is a downgrade.
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We need and get this - another option than Boeser for viable wingers. With Tocchets system, preferably some one fast. I have one player in mind we might be able to fit under but then someone else has to go and someone needs to fill their spot.

It’s convoluted, yes, but such is life.
 
rypper said:
We've gone back and forth on this before, I don't see a team, knowing they have the 1st overall pick, trading it for Hughes.

Trading a cost controlled potential superstar for 1 more year of Hughes before his contract likely near doubles- if he even wants to re-sign wherever he's traded. It just doesn't happen.
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The only way it happens is some perfect storm of:

1) the team is currently or entering their competitive window and wants a win-now player like Hughes (like if NJ or NYR bomb in the next year).

2) Hughes agrees to an extension with the team before the trade is made.

3) impatient owners like Blueberries would help
 
rypper said:
We've gone back and forth on this before, I don't see a team, knowing they have the 1st overall pick, trading it for Hughes.

Trading a cost controlled potential superstar for 1 more year of Hughes before his contract likely near doubles- if he even wants to re-sign wherever he's traded. It just doesn't happen.
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But it does and it has happened, even this year to a smaller extent.

Let say San Jose or Anaheim or Pittsburgh have the number one over all and have lost their marketing icons or a team like Buffalo decide he is the lynch pin to success.
Buffalo would already be deep with prospects and they need instant success, they could easily give up many for a cup run that Hughes might give them.

I do think the notoriety Hughes is getting now make it much easier for a team to reach out for him especially if he has another year on his contract. He would not be Gretzky in his prime but he would be IMO second but maybe the biggest trade.

In the next two year the cap goes up 12 mil or so, so in year a team could easily offer him 20+ mil if they want and still have over 85+ mil in cap space. That would be a winning team, a cup contender, it could be Tampa or Florida, they will have the cap space.

If a team had the chance to trade for McKinnon, McDavid or Rantenen, err, some other player of his significance.

They will have to trade him and IMO it is better that the team have time, a plan and control. If they let it get to the last year they lose leverage on July 1 2026, it start declining starting that day.

Whatever it one of my final hopes to see a cup in my life time that I have left, 25 years or so.

But I enjoy the dialogue
 
I wouldnt say there is a zero percent chance Hughes is traded but we'd need the equivilant of FIVE 1sts. Devils still have all the pieces other teams need that we cannot trade ourselves.

Hughes --> Hamilton, Nemec, Casey, Silayev, 1st

then Hamilton for Kotkaniemi, 1st (car)
then Nemec for #4 (buf)
then Casey for Yager (win)


Kotkaniemi, Yager, Silayev, #4 and two 2026 1st wouldnt be the end of the world.
 
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Hodgy said:
I feel like us signing Bennett could be our Calgary/Kadri moment.
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In fairness to Kadri - he’s actually been pretty much as advertised in Calgary. Not quite the scoring highs of his career year, but he’s played to his average and done well on a team that’s higher in the standings than anyone thought they’d be.
 
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Mr. Canucklehead said:
In fairness to Kadri - he’s actually been pretty much as advertised in Calgary. Not quite the scoring highs of his career year, but he’s played to his average and done well on a team that’s higher in the standings than anyone thought they’d be.
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Yes, I agree. And I think Bennett would be similar here. It just may not align with our competitive cycle.
 
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theguardianII said:
But it does and it has happened, even this year to a smaller extent.

Let say San Jose or Anaheim or Pittsburgh have the number one over all and have lost their marketing icons or a team like Buffalo decide he is the lynch pin to success.
Buffalo would already be deep with prospects and they need instant success, they could easily give up many for a cup run that Hughes might give them.

I do think the notoriety Hughes is getting now make it much easier for a team to reach out for him especially if he has another year on his contract. He would not be Gretzky in his prime but he would be IMO second but maybe the biggest trade.

In the next two year the cap goes up 12 mil or so, so in year a team could easily offer him 20+ mil if they want and still have over 85+ mil in cap space. That would be a winning team, a cup contender, it could be Tampa or Florida, they will have the cap space.

If a team had the chance to trade for McKinnon, McDavid or Rantenen, err, some other player of his significance.

They will have to trade him and IMO it is better that the team have time, a plan and control. If they let it get to the last year they lose leverage on July 1 2026, it start declining starting that day.

Whatever it one of my final hopes to see a cup in my life time that I have left, 25 years or so.

But I enjoy the dialogue
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What trades are you referencing
 
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Mr. Canucklehead said:
In fairness to Kadri - he’s actually been pretty much as advertised in Calgary. Not quite the scoring highs of his career year, but he’s played to his average and done well on a team that’s higher in the standings than anyone thought they’d be.
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Kadri level 2C playing behind a superstar level 1C in EP would actually not be too bad. It's all contingent on EP reaching that level again, and signing some capable top 6 wingers though. A Bennett/Ehlers double signing could be a franchise altering July 1st, and it could honestly go both ways. LOL
 
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