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[SeawaterOnIce]

Duchene is...alright. I don't love it.
Tavares is horrible.
Granlund is horrible.
Nelson ain't it.

I'm not people, man. I'm just a person. I have differing opinions with many posters here, even if we agree on most other stuff.

A simple cursory check of their contracts show that Kreider's contract isn't up until 2027 and Mika's aint up til 2030. And Mika at the 4 Nations looked like shit. Not only in his play, but also in his conditioning. He looked fat as f*** and is clearly disinterested easily.

Yeah dude, it's straight up crazy. I don't what to tell you if you don't want to hear it. And I already told you the Stamkos contract was f***ing nuts because nearly everything Nashville did last offseason clearly DID NOT WORK.

Tavares may be slightly slower but he would be a decent stopgap on a short-term contract (2-3 years). Sort of like when we signed Pavol Demitra.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Trade one of your d assets for Kulich.

I think he’s a breakout candidate in the right situation.

 

[LemonSauceD]

Trade one of your d assets for Kulich.

I think he’s a breakout candidate in the right situation.

Buffalo won’t move him.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Mavrik Bourque
Hendrix Lapierre
Ridley Greig

Should all be on mgmt's radar for potential acquisition.

 

[credulous]

For lack of better words its just the genuine shock I have at the general audacity of Canuck fans.

We spent a year going MINE MINE MINE for Jake Guentzel, were fortunate to get Lindholm as "everything needs to go right" actually somehow did for a span, then blatantly lost Lindholm back to the ether.

But no one seemed to care because we did land Jake.

Debrusk was spun as either A. that was the plan the whole time, or B. that was a smart team pivoting to a plan B, then like 5 other spinoffs over the year.

But Jake Debrusk was a gift. He really kind of wanted to be here for reasons we can actually point at.

Not some fugazi like "top 6 opportunity for ehlers". Hell Utah has icetime too ya know. Seattle has icetime. Philly, loads of icetime.

But Now here we are. Held a playoff spot for a whopping like 10 calendar days since deadline and our own rental Brock will join Lindy in the ether.

But no one seems to care because Ehlers MINE MINE MINE.

And I just cant believe it. We're doing it again.

If we're lucky we'll pivot to Jack Roslovic, maybe he has all his family on the westcoast of Canada too like Debrusk did. (Narrarator voice: there is no Jake or Hamhuis in this UFA class)

i'm right there with you on this. the idea that vancouver's cap space is an edge this summer is just flat out wrong. vancouver are actually disadvantaged compared to most of the league. most teams are in a position to sign whoever they want without having to make any decisions at all. carolina can offer ehlers 9m, marner 14m and ekblad 10m and still have enough left over to resign roslovic at 4m. the cap picture around the league is going to be dramatically different this offseason

 

[vancityluongo]

People have floated Matt Duchene as an option
People have floated John Tavares as an option
People have floated Mikael Granlund as an option
People have floated Brock Nelson as an option

Oh but its crazy to get paid to take Kreider for 2 yrs.

Cause we're swimming in assets and guaranteed to just sign one of the UFAs that are so obviously better than Kreider and Mika.

This is a world where Steven Stamkos on one leg gets a 3 year deal man what do you think those greybeards above are getting.

on the last point, would even argue it's a whole different world. stamkos as a ufa last summer with the cap going up this year vs next year could've got $10m.

don't think ehlers is a total pipe dream (as in, we should have a decent chance in line with every one else), and i actually think bennett could very well end up with a canadian team. for all the screaming in nhl circles around taxes, very few people are pointing out that with the cad where it is, buying power is significantly better in canadian markets, even considering real estate in vancouver or toronto. never mind the million other reasons why players with family in canada would want to come back to canada right now.

but i agree with you that thinking of those two guys as plan a and b, with no further analysis, is setting up for a doomsday scenario by the afternoon of july 1st if/when we strike out. and as others have noted too, the peterka level rfa offer sheet talk makes absolutely no sense. i think it'd be hard to even land a nick robertson level player with an offer sheet lol

the current smartest team in the league - florida - has already gotten ahead of everyone else by acquiring seth jones retained. compared to what a broken ekblad is probably going to get as a free agent, what was once seen as an unmoveable contract is going to look just average for the level of play jones provides.

 

[bossram]

Samoskevich is another. Tsyplakov, Holmstrom, Elmer Soderblom, Foerster, Evangelista (although I’ve thought about maybe a Hoglander for Evangelista trade sort of thing).

Samoskevich is someone I really like. He reminds me of a young TJ Oshie.

I really like Samoskevich, but he's really broken out. He's on their 1PP right now. I think Florida understands his value. Plus with one or both of Ekblad/Bennett leaving, Florida will have cap space to maneuver.

The cap increase makes the RFA offer sheet strategy a lot more difficult. There won't be many teams truly under much cap duress. Philly would just match Foerster. NYI probably just matches. They have a lot of room.

The only team that really looks in a bind is Dallas. And maybe the Rangers.

 

[arttk]

i'm right there with you on this. the idea that vancouver's cap space is an edge this summer is just flat out wrong. vancouver are actually disadvantaged compared to most of the league. most teams are in a position to sign whoever they want without having to make any decisions at all. carolina can offer ehlers 9m, marner 14m and ekblad 10m and still have enough left over to resign roslovic at 4m. the cap picture around the league is going to be dramatically different this offseason

Carolina is the worst example you could use, not paying market or above market rate is THE hill they die on.

I've said this many times, it's unrealistic to go from where we are at today to a contender in 1 offseason and I don't think anyone is planning on that. We need to get at least 1 guy, hopefully a 2C and hopefully another 20 goal scorer. The improvement in the team is going to come from Petey and Joshua recovering form and hopefully Demko as well. Try to stay under the cap and then go get another guy or two at TDL and try to retain 1 of them. Then you head to next off season where the UFA looks a lot better and you try to get that additional improvement.

To be clear, our advantage is not the cap space, our advantage is we only have really 2 spots to fill and our pro scouting is good. We can spend like 10-12M on 1 player and I think there is confidence that management will be able to find another Sherwood/Suter for ~1.5ish.

 

[vancityluongo]

Trade one of your d assets for Kulich.

I think he’s a breakout candidate in the right situation.

d-petey is who they would probably ask for

but everyone is up in arms at the suggestion of moving him too

with hughes / m-petey as the lhd for whatever we see our contending window as being... that's one of the only spots where we have an asset that others would value and it'd be more accretive for us to swap out a third pairing defenseman for a top-6 forward.

i'd love to see mynio + sj 3rd get it done, but why would buffalo ever do that?

 

[Burke's Evil Spirit]

Mavrik Bourque
Hendrix Lapierre
Ridley Greig

Should all be on mgmt's radar for potential acquisition.

I really doubt Greig, who just extended, is someone that is being shopped.

Shane Pinto looks like the odd man out in Ottawa. At the right price, I'd definitely have interest.

 

[arttk]

For lack of better words its just the genuine shock I have at the general audacity of Canuck fans.

We spent a year going MINE MINE MINE for Jake Guentzel, were fortunate to get Lindholm as "everything needs to go right" actually somehow did for a span, then blatantly lost Lindholm back to the ether.

But no one seemed to care because we did land Jake.

Debrusk was spun as either A. that was the plan the whole time, or B. that was a smart team pivoting to a plan B, then like 5 other spinoffs over the year.

But Jake Debrusk was a gift. He really kind of wanted to be here for reasons we can actually point at.

Not some fugazi like "top 6 opportunity for ehlers". Hell Utah has icetime too ya know. Seattle has icetime. Philly, loads of icetime.

But Now here we are. Held a playoff spot for a whopping like 10 calendar days since deadline and our own rental Brock will join Lindy in the ether.

But no one seems to care because Ehlers MINE MINE MINE.

And I just cant believe it. We're doing it again.

If we're lucky we'll pivot to Jack Roslovic, maybe he has all his family on the westcoast of Canada too like Debrusk did. (Narrarator voice: there is no Jake or Hamhuis in this UFA class)




I apoligize, you said we needed two (2) pieces.

Obviously I was confused thinking contender was the goal.

Two pieces, to be what exactly then?

Formidable? A worthy opponent?



Starting at A for Anaheim, they need to spend 15m to hit the cap FLOOR next year.

Mason McTavish and Lukas Dostal are key RFA.

The Ducks still have to add 5 mill to hit the floor.

Quit plugging for the billionaires trust me theyre doing just fine. Theyre all in a Jeremy Jacobs groupchat laughing their arse off whenever a baseball player or NBA player or Soccer star signs a deal all asking each other how Gary ****** hockey players so badly while I sip my $17 foam beer and eat my $33 nachos.

Right now theyre popping champagne bottles planning boat parties on how to spend 1.5 billion dollars to put a team BACK in Atlanta for the upteenth time.

Gary strikes again. Dont worry about the German guy who owns the Ducks because he sells his tickets for $15. He's fine.



Man im not pooping on Vancouver, the city, the team, the logo, anything. Im die hard and its a curse like the rest of ya'll.

Im just begging ya'll to be realistic.

Those seagulls from that kids show all going EHLERS EHLERS EHLERS is all I picture reading these boards when we SHOULD be finding a way for NYR to PAY us to take Kreider and Zibanejad.

People wanna sign Mikael Granlund when he can probably pick 25 teams this offseason, when Zibby is right there, with assets coming back probably!

Its lunacy to me.

No Debrusk was always plan B and was reported as such. Management is not going to come up and throw Debrusk under the bus and say yeah that is our B guy.

Ducks have 8 roster spots to fill, they are going to hit the cap floor with no issues and until their team gets better, they are not going to spend and considering who the owners are, they are not going to be spending to the cap anytime soon if ever.

I have no idea what the f*** you are even trying to argue, write less, make your points more clear. People want Ehlers doesn't mean we assume we will get him. Granlund is suggested as a short term stop gap solution, there is nothing wrong with that if he is signed as such.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

I really doubt Greig, who just extended, is someone that is being shopped.

Shane Pinto looks like the odd man out in Ottawa. At the right price, I'd definitely have interest.

My fault. Didn't see the extension.

I agree. With Stutzle, Cozen and Greig, Pinto should be able to be had if the price is right.

 

[TruGr1t]

Seravalli hinting quite strongly this morning about a reunion between Miller and Tocchet for the Rangers next year.

 

[arttk]

Seravalli hinting quite strongly this morning about a reunion between Miller and Tocchet for the Rangers next year.

after Miller blew up on Tocchet? lol

 

[Goatlender]

Seravalli hinting quite strongly this morning about a reunion between Miller and Tocchet for the Rangers next year.

Let’s do another coaching swap with NYR. I would actually love to see Petey under Laviolette.

 

[TruGr1t]

after Miller blew up on Tocchet? lol

We really don't know how that went down, so I'd be hesitant to use it as an indicator for anything. Boston and Philly also mentioned as destinations for Tocchet.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Seravalli hinting quite strongly this morning about a reunion between Miller and Tocchet for the Rangers next year.

Frank "The Troll" Seravelli just does things like this to piss off the Nucks fanbase.

 

[arttk]

We really don't know how that went down, so I'd be hesitant to use it as an indicator for anything. Boston and Philly also mentioned as destinations for Tocchet.

Feels like if management wants to keep Tocchet then he will stay, relationships matter.

 

[Vector]

Really not concerned about whether Tocchet stays or goes at this juncture. Hell, I'm not concerned about the offseason nor the draft. Feels very premature to give credence to anything at this point.

 

[Goatlender]

Frank "The Troll" Seravelli just does things like this to piss off the Nucks fanbase.

I am hinting quite strongly this morning about a reunion between Seravelli and an extra large pizza this weekend.

 

[thecupismine]

Talking about Tocchet leaving when we’re in the middle of trying to make a run for the wildcard spot is classic Frank rage-bait. I don’t know why people fall for it, he’s the biggest clown out of the so called insiders. Have some class and at least wait till the end of the season before turning up the dial on a head coach. It’s also how you start pissing off your “sources” long-term as well.

This is the same guy that said M Petey is barely different than Soucy to piss off the Canucks fan base. Dude gives no f***s if it gets his sites clicks.

 

[Vector]

Talking about Tocchet leaving when we’re in the middle of trying to make a run for the wildcard spot is classic Frank rage-bait. I don’t know why people fall for it, he’s the biggest clown out of the so called insiders. Have some class and at least wait till the end of the season before turning up the dial on a head coach. It’s also how you start pissing off your “sources” long-term as well.

This is the same guy that said M Petey is barely different than Soucy to piss off the Canucks fan base. Dude gives no f***s if it gets his sites clicks.

I haven't listened but I'm going to guess that Halford & Brough asked him about Tocchet.

 

[arttk]

I haven't listened but I'm going to guess that Halford & Brough asked him about Tocchet.

sounds right..

 

[I am toxic]

Frank Seravalli makes me look like an anti-dote

How is that even possible?

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

I haven't listened but I'm going to guess that Halford & Brough asked him about Tocchet.

During the back-half of the dreadful 2013-14 campaign. I think it was March. My buddy asks me "Do you think Torts is back next year?" I said yes, I hope so. Then he told me he wasn't coming back lol.

The biggest difference between that year and this year, is by the same stretch of time, it was very clear we weren't making it. We were like 6-7 points back.

We very technically still have pole position. I don't know why these non-issues keep getting drummed up. Well, I know why...I'm just not very impressed by it. Only this stupid loser city would seek to drive out the reigning Jack Adams winner. He's not even Ted Nolan for christ.