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[HelloCookie]

Nobody gets traded until the scoresheet for a canucks goal says G: pettersson A: pettersson, pettersson

 

[Vector]

Recap of Friedman's interview. Most league-wide and international stuff. Not much to this one.

GM Meetings This Week

• Talked about 4 Nations tournament; what worked and what had to be better; medical player access to players needs to be improved
• Think it’s possible that the 2025-26 season will start earlier; however don’t want NHL competing with baseball but there’s also the Olympics next season so looking at early September start time
• One GM told Friedman that they want to see the 4 Nations take place at the beginning of the season

Longer Overtime

• Wasn’t really discussed among GMs
• At some point in time, there might be a discussion with players about lengthening OT
• Still two more days of meetings
• Not a formal agenda item
• 77% of games end before the shootout

St. Louis Blues

• Play the Blackhawks and Predators a lot to end the season; in great position to grab the WC2 spot

Canucks

• Playoffs have started now for them
• Hughes is trying to drag the team into the fight with him; playing like an MVP
• The rest of the team needs to come with Hughes

Tocchet

• Do not think Tocchet will allow his contract status to be a story
• Is demanding a lot out of himself, coaching staff, and players
• Will not allow the players to think the story is anything but the playoff chase
• Whatever happens, will deal with his contract after the season

Miller & Hughes

• Thinks that everybody understood it was time for Miller to be moved
• Hughes felt that once the organization and Miller decided to separate, he was going to back that decision
• Hughes was determined to help Pettersson get his game back
• Hughes saw the way this was going to go and decided to make this work

Canucks for Kids Fund

• Friedman’s fee for going on Donnie & Dhali is donated to the Canucks for Kids Fund
• Friedman won’t be at the telethon this season because he’s at the GM meetings; it’s tomorrow night
• Has always been impressed with the generosity of Canucks fans

 

[VanJack]

Trading DP and our 1st (and maybe Chytil for cap purposes?) makes perfect sense to me IF it gets a top 6 C (or impact winger).

Hughes and MP aren’t going to be displaced and someone like Forbert or many other 3rd pairing guys are available in UFA every summer.

Maybe you don’t do it if you’re convinced Hughes is leaving in 2 years, but you’re boned no matter what if he leaves so may as well put your best foot forward for the next 2 seasons.

Are there really any 'top-six centers' or 'impact wingers' available anywhere in the NHL? Contending teams aren't interested in trading them; and lottery teams don't really have them to begin with. I mean there's a reason why they're one of the league's 16 worst teams.

And if by some miracle, you identify such a guy on a lottery team, they're going to want high draft picks and some of your best prospects to move them.

If you're weak at center or lacking size and scoring on the wing, like the Canucks, there simply aren't any 'quick fixes'. About the only option is breaking the bank to sign someone like Marner or Ehlers. But every other team in the NHL has the same idea.

 

[JT Milker]

Are there really any 'top-six centers' or 'impact wingers' available anywhere in the NHL? Contending teams aren't interested in trading them; and lottery teams don't really have them to begin with. I mean there's a reason why they're one of the league's 16 worst teams.

And if by some miracle, you identify such a guy on a lottery team, they're going to want high draft picks and some of your best prospects to move them.

If you're weak at center or lacking size and scoring on the wing, like the Canucks, there simply aren't any 'quick fixes'. About the only option is breaking the bank to sign someone like Marner or Ehlers. But every other team in the NHL has the same idea.

I have no idea.

 

[ratbid]

I just really don't want to move D Petey.

He's one of our few players that can play outright mean when he wants to, and I suspect that'll ramp up more as he gets used to the NHL. We saw how impactful that can be in the playoffs with Zads. Obviously Elias will never be as imposing, but I feel like his play style is lacking from our current D.

 

[arttk]

So a completely unknown belief of teams trying to get him as a throw in demonstrates he is pretty coveted? That doesn't really follow logically.

If the shoe was on the other foot and I was somewhat following Canucks hockey I would definitely be intrigued but in no way would I be paying a whole lot for him. He's a yet to be proven defensive dman with 15 NHL games total. It's not like he's a solution to fixing a team's defence ... yet.

i mean we were asked to throw in a prospect (Lekk, Willander Dpetey) when we were trying to trade away Brock. Additionally, we had reports during the TDL that teams were asking for those prospects back in trade talks we were engaged in.

 

[LemonSauceD]

I just really don't want to move D Petey.

He's one of our few players that can play outright mean when he wants to, and I suspect that'll ramp up more as he gets used to the NHL. We saw how impactful that can be in the playoffs with Zads. Obviously Elias will never be as imposing, but I feel like his play style is lacking from our current D.

100% would not trade D Petey. Willander as well.

The rest? Lekkerimaki, Raty, Kudryavtsev, Mynio, every single one of our picks in the next 2-3 years, Hoglander, Chytil, Demko, Joshua and Blueger should all be in play.

Personally I want to see a totally revamped forward group.

______-Pettersson-______
Debrusk-_______-_______
______-Suter-Garland
O’Connor-______-Sherwood

Resign Suter if you can.

Guys id target: Kyrou, Mercer, Hayton. Trade Hoglander to Calgary for our 3rd back and go offer sheet hunting. Cuylle could be a possibility with NY having Lafreniere raise + KAM who’s an RFA. Peterka as well but Buffalo easily matches probably.

 

[supercanuck]

I just really don't want to move D Petey.

He's one of our few players that can play outright mean when he wants to, and I suspect that'll ramp up more as he gets used to the NHL. We saw how impactful that can be in the playoffs with Zads. Obviously Elias will never be as imposing, but I feel like his play style is lacking from our current D.

He's exactly what we needed on our blueline. One of those worth more to us than what other teams would pay for him type of situation, IMO.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

Honestly feels illegal to start the season mid-October. Season should always start October 1.

 

[Burke's Evil Spirit]

Guys id target: Kyrou, Mercer, Hayton. Trade Hoglander to Calgary for our 3rd back and go offer sheet hunting. Cuylle could be a possibility with NY having Lafreniere raise + KAM who’s an RFA. Peterka as well but Buffalo easily matches probably.

The OS candidate in Buffalo is Quinn, not Peterka. Offer him $4.5M x 2 front-loaded and see if the Sabres cheapass owner matches.

 

[Canuckle1970]

D-Petey is off limits trade-wise for me. No brainer future solid D-man.

 

[dez]

Chytil, KK and 2nd

 

[iceburg]

If this team is serious about sustainable competitiveness they will keep D-Petey, Willander, Kudryavtsev, and Mynio. That is a very solid emerging D group. Couple that with 10 more years of Quinn Hughes (current plus 8) with veteran fill ins...
Now they have to fill in the forward group with high octane forwards from the draft. They'll be fun to watch.

 

[Diversification]

DPetey is not gonna have the value to return a good proven top6 player on a decent contract.

About the only chance you would have is getting a similar aged forward from a team in a situation where the development or relationship has gone south.

Would be pretty crazy to think that would be a good idea given what we've seen and how he fits the team going forward and the fact he's still hasn't produced much to get teams excited about his ultimate upside.

I still think he's a bit of a hidden gem league wide and given what we've learned and seen about his skating physicality and smarts trading him would be really dumb. He's got the ability to be an elite shut down guy and if he hits that target he will be worth infinitely more than you get in the market today. Not saying he gets there but what would a 21yr old Jaccob Slavin be worth to Carolina in hindsight.

DPetey is off the table for me

By sometime next year, provided D-Petey keeps at his current level, he could have a similar value to JJ Moser. Moser, Geekie, a 2nd and 7th landed Sergachev.

Edit: And to chime in on landing a top6 center via trade: we would need to part with Willander and roster player.

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

Not really. Some posters are literally saying, "just trade one of D-Petey or Willander to solve the top-six". No mention of other assets in a trade package. How should that be interpreted?

One poster literally said D-Petey would go top-10 in a 2023 re-draft right now. He obviously thinks D-Petey has elite prospect trade value.

DPetey was drafted in 2022 which is a far worse draft. So he likely still isn't top ten, but it's a way different claim than it would be if it was referring to 2023.

 

[Baby Pettersson]

DPetey would now, and in the future go top 15 and probably top 10 in a redraft. You can take that to the BANK!

 

[andora]

By sometime next year, provided D-Petey keeps at his current level, he could have a similar value to JJ Moser. Moser, Geekie, a 2nd and 7th landed Sergachev.

Edit: And to chime in on landing a top6 center via trade: we would need to part with Willander and roster player.

I still think that was a meh trade for utah

 

[Diversification]

I still think that was a meh trade for utah

I agree. TBL did very well to get out from under Sergachev's contract while replacing his minutes with a younger cheaper option. I only mention it because Moser, like D-Petey, is a young dman without draft pedigree or counting stats that, nevertheless, posters like us value highly. Unfortunately guys like that don't carry a ton of trade value league-wide.

 

[LemonSauceD]

Was on YouTube and had the Canucks 2011 playoff run highlights, behind the scenes, and fan clips recommended to me by the algorithm.

I’ll never get tired of watching it and it’s still as fresh as it was back then.

Then I see our team today. Hell even majority of the league. I’m convinced players today don’t have the same passion or drive as they did back then. Florida, Vegas, Tampa have compiled a roster of players with that same passion, drive and attitude which is why they’ll be one of those teams that will continue on winning cups while passionless p***y teams like Carolina and Toronto will never win a damn thing.

Garland, Hughes, Sherwood and Hronek have displayed that sort of selfless passion and drive that I’ve yet to see from others EVER. I’d also add Blueger and more recently Marcus Pettersson to this list. Still a very small part of the group.

 

[Baby Pettersson]

Was on YouTube and had the Canucks 2011 playoff run highlights, behind the scenes, and fan clips recommended to me by the algorithm.

I’ll never get tired of watching it and it’s still as fresh as it was back then.

Then I see our team today. Hell even majority of the league. I’m convinced players today don’t have the same passion or drive as they did back then. Florida, Vegas, Tampa have compiled a roster of players with that same passion, drive and attitude which is why they’ll be one of those teams that will continue on winning cups while passionless p***y teams like Carolina and Toronto will never win a damn thing.

Garland, Hughes, Sherwood and Hronek have displayed that sort of selfless passion and drive that I’ve yet to see from others EVER. I’d also add Blueger and more recently Marcus Pettersson to this list. Still a very small part of the group.

This is a good point that I don't see brought up often enough.

 

[Nuckles]

Junior Petey is near untouchable IMO.

Not just because of his current play, likely top 4 potential, and cheap contract for 2 more years, but because he's insurance in case Hughes walks in 2 years. If Hughes signs an extension in 16 months and this team still hasn't gotten another top 6 C, then you can look at flipping him.

I know a lot of people are high on Kudryavtsev, but there's an elephant in the room regarding his (lack of) height and this coaching staff not wanting another undersized D in the lineup. Though with that said there's a possibility the coaching staff changes in the near future...

 

[TruGr1t]

Was on YouTube and had the Canucks 2011 playoff run highlights, behind the scenes, and fan clips recommended to me by the algorithm.

I’ll never get tired of watching it and it’s still as fresh as it was back then.

Then I see our team today. Hell even majority of the league. I’m convinced players today don’t have the same passion or drive as they did back then. Florida, Vegas, Tampa have compiled a roster of players with that same passion, drive and attitude which is why they’ll be one of those teams that will continue on winning cups while passionless p***y teams like Carolina and Toronto will never win a damn thing.

Garland, Hughes, Sherwood and Hronek have displayed that sort of selfless passion and drive that I’ve yet to see from others EVER. I’d also add Blueger and more recently Marcus Pettersson to this list. Still a very small part of the group.

The oft-forgotten aspect is there were a lot of the same questions around that group pre-Sundin (and to some extent Demitra and I'd argue Samuelsson), where they did not really demonstrate that type of engagement. I'd argue one place management has failed is they've never really brought in quality vets to similar effect.

 

[andora]

I agree. TBL did very well to get out from under Sergachev's contract while replacing his minutes with a younger cheaper option. I only mention it because Moser, like D-Petey, is a young dman without draft pedigree or counting stats that, nevertheless, posters like us value highly. Unfortunately guys like that don't carry a ton of trade value league-wide.

They do hold value to the right gms

 

[LemonSauceD]

The oft-forgotten aspect is there were a lot of the same questions around that group pre-Sundin (and to some extent Demitra and I'd argue Samuelsson), where they did not really demonstrate that type of engagement. I'd argue one place management has failed is they've never really brought in quality vets to similar effect.

I also recognize it’s not realistic to have all 23 players be the same like that. But you do need enough of them.

 

[Peter Griffin]

It still irks me that an old man rental in Brock Nelson got Cal Ritchie caliber prospect but a younger Bo for 2 years @ 5.25M only got Raty. Same with JT when he was extremely good value with 2 years left just had no takers. Imagine if we had Cal Ritchie right now instead of Raty (no disrespect to him, just that they are not the same level of player).

Bo was an impending UFA and the main part of that return was the 1st that was flipped for Hronek. Colorado definitely overpaid for Brock Nelson but supply and demand.