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[SelltheTeamFrancesco]

I like Pettersson as the best fit. Particularly because he's a PK fit and he's a taller player (a preference for them).

Outside shots to Shea Theodore and Adam Larsson, who are set to be UFA after this season.

On Canucks Talk they were talking about the Zadorov bet the team is making. Essentially, they probably could have re-signed Zadorov and a league min~ 6RHD. Instead, they signed Forbort, Desharnais and have 3.8m~ in cap. If they misuse that cap, then re-signing Zadorov would have been a better bet. Getting Pettersson and Desharnais surpasses the utility of Zadorov imo.

Pettersson is better than Zadorov and I don’t think it’s close.

 

[Donuts]

jiricek

 

[krutovsdonut]

I like Pettersson as the best fit. Particularly because he's a PK fit and he's a taller player (a preference for them).

Outside shots to Shea Theodore and Adam Larsson, who are set to be UFA after this season.

On Canucks Talk they were talking about the Zadorov bet the team is making. Essentially, they probably could have re-signed Zadorov and a league min~ 6RHD. Instead, they signed Forbort, Desharnais and have 3.8m~ in cap. If they misuse that cap, then re-signing Zadorov would have been a better bet. Getting Pettersson and Desharnais surpasses the utility of Zadorov imo.

that's a one year outcome analysis of a decision that would have had ramifications for 6 years.

pretty normal for hockey, but not a good way to run a railroad.

 

[Bleach Clean]

that's a one year outcome analysis of a decision that would have had ramifications for 6 years.

pretty normal for hockey, but not a good way to run a railroad.

Well yes, it would apply to successive years given that the alternative would be re-signed long-term.

 

[Burke's Evil Spirit]

Not sure if this has been mentioned, but Thomas Gradin is no longer listed as a scout by the Vancouver Canucks: Official Vancouver Canucks Website | Vancouver Canucks

 

[krutovsdonut]

i remain skeptical they are going to lay out hard assets for rentals again. it's not sustainable for a team lacking in assets that is only entering its window. they are not sexy enough yet to attract big signings when the cupboard is bare.

so i think they are going to look for longterm add opportunities. i'd be looking for them to target someone with some rfa years left about where markus pettersson was when rutherford acquired him. that was a great hockey trade.

 

[strattonius]

jiricek

This would cost an exorbitant amount of assets that we currently don't have. His value is higher than Tom Willander. I don't really get why people are even bringing him up - what reason would Columbus have to moving off of Jiricek?

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

Not sure if this has been mentioned, but Thomas Gradin is no longer listed as a scout by the Vancouver Canucks: Official Vancouver Canucks Website | Vancouver Canucks

Whoa. This would be significant if he’s left - he’s been with the organization since the 1994/1995 season. And a big part of our scouting team in that time.

 

[rypper]

Maybe he's ready to really retire? He's 68.

 

[David Bruce Banner]

I’ve been beating the Yzerman is a fraud drum for over a year and nothing has changed my mind

Most GM's are frauds, IMHO... or at least, overrated. They are products, largely, of circumstance and luck.
There are outliers at both ends of the spectrum, of course.

 

[Lindgren]

They can sign him and remain under LTIR heading into the season since they're carrying a full roster. Really the only way they put Poolman on LTIR is if they find a UFA or a trade that would take them over. As it stands, they can enter the season under with Silovs at ~$1M pretty easily.

What's the most that Silovs could get while the team remains under the limit?

 

[TruGr1t]

What's the most that Silovs could get while the team remains under the limit?

A shade over $1M. They have around $240k space, so that would be about the approx. difference between Silovs and Patera’s salary at that rate. You’d probably waive Friedman or PDG to make room. Probably gives you almost exactly the space you need to carry Poolman’s $2.5M salary into the season.

You could also waive Aman and Juulsen if you wanted more space, but I don’t expect they’d need to do that unless they wanted to do something else.

 

[Jerry the great]

This would cost an exorbitant amount of assets that we currently don't have. His value is higher than Tom Willander. I don't really get why people are even bringing him up - what reason would Columbus have to moving off of Jiricek?

The only way a trade happens is if the player demands it (which i wouldn't totally rule out if he doesn't get more opportunity next season). He finished his season in the AHL on a higher note and the team is cutting ties with Boqvist, so PP2 needs a QB; he'll certainly get a long look in that spot. I suspect new management has done enough to smooth over the relationship after a very contentious year. That said, I don't think his value is higher than Willander's and based on things the player complained about last year, he probably wouldn't be a good fit in Vancouver anyway.

 

[krutovsdonut]

What's the most that Silovs could get while the team remains under the limit?

depends on who goes to the farm. add $240k to that salary and that is the max you can pay silovs without going into ltir but it is kind of meaningless unless you are saving enough to accrue deadline cap space.

 

[Lindgren]

A shade over $1M. They have around $240k space, so that would be about the approx. difference between Silovs and Patera’s salary at that rate. You’d probably waive Friedman or PDG to make room. Probably gives you almost exactly the space you need to carry Poolman’s $2.5M salary into the season.

You could also waive Aman and Juulsen if you wanted more space, but I don’t expect they’d need to do that unless they wanted to do something else.

That's roughly what I had understood. Are you assuming, then, that Silovs isn't asking for a shade over a shade over $1M? Because if he is (unless I'm still not understanding), we both think that such a contract would require the Canucks to use LTIR.

 

[TruGr1t]

That's roughly what I had understood. Are you assuming, then, that Silovs isn't asking for a shade over a shade over $1M? Because if he is (unless I'm still not understanding), we both think that such a contract would require the Canucks to use LTIR.

Yes I’d assume this may be one reason he isn’t signed, but also I don’t see why you’d pay him anything over $1M AAV short-term even with the playoffs.

 

[Burke's Evil Spirit]

Maybe he's ready to really retire? He's 68.

If so, it deserved some fanfare, similar to Smyl at the start of the season.

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

is there a chance silovs and his agent are playing hardball after his playoff run?

that’s what i suspected when it leaked that allvin was looking into a veteran backup and then everybody started freaking out that there was something wrong with demko’s recovery. i just figured they were letting silovs know he could spend the year developing in abby if he wants.

 

[SopelFanThe3rd]

is there a chance silovs and his agent are playing hardball after his playoff run?

that’s what i suspected when it leaked that allvin was looking into a veteran backup and then everybody started freaking out that there was something wrong with demko’s recovery. i just figured they were letting silovs know he could spend the year developing in abby if he wants.

Ha. A 10 game stretch and you want to hit a home run? Byeeeeee.

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

If so, it deserved some fanfare, similar to Smyl at the start of the season.

This - totally get it if he decided to retire, but for a guy who’s been a part of the organization as long as he has and contributed as much as he has, celebrate it from the rooftops if that’s the case.

 

[Wisp]

is there a chance silovs and his agent are playing hardball after his playoff run?

that’s what i suspected when it leaked that allvin was looking into a veteran backup and then everybody started freaking out that there was something wrong with demko’s recovery. i just figured they were letting silovs know he could spend the year developing in abby if he wants.

I thought it might be that, but there's 102 unsigned RFAs right now, hardly a unique situation.

 

[Wisp]

Maybe he's ready to really retire? He's 68.

All the Swedes the Canucks were drafting was too much excitement for the guy.

 

[RandV]

The problem is that they rebuilt but didn't get any luck with drafting elite talent, and the rebuild just kept stretching on and on. If they'd won a couple of draft lotteries we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Yes that's where it really fell apart for Detroit. A lot of years drafting 6-9th with one massive miss that would've completely reversed our two teams fortunes, if they took Hughes over Zadina.

Overall I'm not really over critical of Yzerman as GM, but the fans on the other hand with the whole "Yzerplan" thing just makes me cringe inside a little. You can't just take a GM from one successful situation and declare who's going to deploy the same plan/model to create the same success on a different team. In reality things are a bit more like poker and what counts is how the GM plays the hand their dealt.

 

[Wisp]

Outside shots to Shea Theodore and Adam Larsson, who are set to be UFA after this season.

I was also perusing and was surprised Will Borgen was a UFA. Maybe he is pals with Soucy?

Shea Theodore is the dream though. Hopefully he has a hunger for home cooking.

i remain skeptical they are going to lay out hard assets for rentals again.

lol this is Rutherford, he doesn't give a shit. He'll spend-spend-spend when it's time to contend and then sell-sell-sell when it's time to rebuild.

 

[lawrence]

This would cost an exorbitant amount of assets that we currently don't have. His value is higher than Tom Willander. I don't really get why people are even bringing him up - what reason would Columbus have to moving off of Jiricek?

player comes into the nhl unproven.

Lights it up in the ahl.

He’s proven he deserves a chance at the nhl which Columbus gives him a chance.

Not seeing the success he had in the AHL he says he deserves to be on the number 1 PP play unit?

these are already red flags as hell. this guys is entitled.

Whoa. This would be significant if he’s left - he’s been with the organization since the 1994/1995 season. And a big part of our scouting team in that time.

the Purge has begun, from Cibisov to Gradin.

lol this is Rutherford, he doesn't give a shit.

I dont think hes in charge in those things anymore. Its alvin doing the talking,

Maybe he's ready to really retire? He's 68.

not surprised. travelling is quite hard for someone that old. especially since his job is all about travelling, going on plane rides, going on train rides, CATCHING trains, late night travels, might start to get extremely difficult for a guy of that age. LIke my father in law already cant stand too long of plane rides.