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[wonton15]

I can almost guarantee he’ll re-sign at 6x$8M. Probably gets a NMC for the first 4 years. Source:

 

[racerjoe]

Not hearing the Canucks and Brock Boeser are close on a new deal.

Could go 3 ways this week - sign, trade him or keep him. - Dhaliwal

He doesn't even get it correct... its we either sign him, trade him, or let him walk. saying keep him makes it seem like we re-sign him still.

 

[MS]

Well then let's sign him? So just to clarify you were ok with Tanev and Toffoli walking to replace them with garbage contracts?

This is the kind of mentality management possesses and is the reason we've had a decade of darkness. Just pissing away value time and time again.

I don't really want to sign him, either.

I just don't really care if he walks, and don't really care if we get assets back.

If he walks, we're 'trading' him for the player/players we sign with that cap space. This isn't 1992.

Making the playoffs matters, and despite a season where *everything* has gone wrong we're still in a good position to make the playoffs. And I want to go into the playoffs with the best roster possible. It's the whole f***ing point of sports and following sports.

 

[Quinning]

I woke up today and I thought to myself, you know what?
Maybe this losing streak before the deadline is the best case scenario.
If we went 50/50, management might still trade a 1st for help, but in this case, they are getting kind of forced to trade guys like brock.

Absolutely - the worst thing that could happen right now is a hot streak because Lankinen is on fire. Elite goaltending covers up all kinds of holes that suddenly reappear with a vengeance when the streak is over. We've seen it happen so many times over the years from Markstrom and Demko.

Goaltending should be your final piece of the puzzle, not the building block for the roster. It's far more important to have an elite defensive unit and build out from there.

 

[Soups On]

I don't really want to sign him, either.

I just don't really care if he walks, and don't really care if we get assets back.

If he walks, we're 'trading' him for the player/players we sign with that cap space. This isn't 1992.

Making the playoffs matters, and despite a season where *everything* has gone wrong we're still in a good position to make the playoffs. And I want to go into the playoffs with the best roster possible. It's the whole f***ing point of sports and following sports.

Agreed here. Only thing I'll say is if they trade Boeser for draft capital or prospects, I'm almost guaranteeing they're flipping those to address depth at center or the lack of foot speed in the lineup.

 

[Baby Pettersson]

I don't really want to sign him, either.

I just don't really care if he walks, and don't really care if we get assets back.

If he walks, we're 'trading' him for the player/players we sign with that cap space. This isn't 1992.

Making the playoffs matters, and despite a season where *everything* has gone wrong we're still in a good position to make the playoffs. And I want to go into the playoffs with the best roster possible. It's the whole f***ing point of sports and following sports.

Agree to disagree. I don't want playoffs I want a cup. This team isn't winning a cup this year and it definitely won't in the future if we lose value for Boeser.

1)Resign Boeser
2)Trade for Magic beans
3)Let him walk

In a perfect world we trade for the magic beans and flip those for a even better player or top 6 centre (which is badly needed) and replace Boeser with Lek next season.

 

[Nick Lang]

The messaging to the team if you trade Boeser for futures when they're sitting in a playoff spot is disastrous. It will move a Quinn Hughes about 3 steps closer to the door.

I hate this sort of loser mentality. People would have been selling Diduck and Craven on the eve of the 1994 playoffs.

Maybe they need to hear some of those messages. While I generally agree there is a time to back the team there is also a time to do good things for the overall health of the team. We miss taking that last strategy so many times I think it's high time they actually make a sacrifice for the future for once, or are we going to sacrifice assets for team messaging again?

Have some balls and do the right thing. It's starting to look unlikely we make it anyway, Boeser or no Boeser. What we really need is the best team we can create two years from now. Failure to do that will move Quinn 5 steps and out the door completely. All moves should be hyper focused on assembling the best team possible a year and a half from now.

Hughes is signed for two more years. He's not going to force a trade before then because we trade Boeser, and two years from now he won't care whether we kept Boeser for a forgettable wild card challenge. This season has zero bearing on Hughes contract imo. Boeser isn't doing much of anything either. Not a huge loss in my books.

 

[LemonSauceD]

Wanting to trade Boeser and getting assets for him that can then be used to target a top 6 player is not loser mentality.

We technically aren’t even in a playoff spot right now, our star player is injured, and our 11.6M player has been a ghost. Every player in that locker room wants to win and believe they can make the playoffs while the rest who aren’t partial to that lockeroom can clearly see this team is nowhere near good enough.

You have a player who’s, been underwhelming himself, not signed a contract and is your top goal scorer. The team has largely underperformed, your star players have been injured or poor, and your star goalie has proven to be injury prone and unreliable. The team is in the midst of a 5 game slump. You are currently just outside of a wild card spot but with too many question marks surrounding the team. The team has not scored more than 4 goals in more than 7 weeks. It’s a sellers market.

It’s simple really.

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

There is a reason why basically no team ever in any sport sells when they're sitting in a playoff spot, and it isn't 'stupidity'.

Every time anything like this comes up, the loser mentality of fans and the total ignorance of how sports works just boggles my mind.

The 2021 Habs is precisely why teams rarely sell. Is that likely to happen for us? No. But the possibility is worthwhile because of how much revenue it generates.

What people have to accept is all the owners, not just Aquilini, value profit far beyond winning. There's a reason Shanahan, for example, is still running the Leafs despite their seven years of playoff failures. He's brought in heaps of money for MLSE. Would they like deeper playoff revenue? Absolutely. But it's clearly not hurting them enough to make a change.

Right now, if you sell off Boeser, Suter and everyone else, you're not only telling Hughes the team is just dead for this season and possibly next year too. You're telling the fanbase, "get ready for some more years of nothing." That means less ticket sells.

The whole "build for the Sedins" was little more than a marketing ploy because the average fan tends to believe it.

 

[sensodyne17]

The messaging to the team if you trade Boeser for futures when they're sitting in a playoff spot is disastrous. It will move a Quinn Hughes about 3 steps closer to the door.

I hate this sort of loser mentality. People would have been selling Diduck and Craven on the eve of the 1994 playoffs.

Absolutely not.

Trading Boeser for future assets that you can parlay into something else is exactly the type of things that high IQ franchises do.

Signing Boeser to a 6/7 year extension at the expected cap figure while he has no playmaking center to play with is just a disaster in the making.

Franchises need to hold people accountable and Boeser has been horrible all year. What kind of message are we sending if we are rewarding someone who's been horrible all year with a $50M+ extension? Boeser has one even strength point in like his last 10/11 games. He's not going to have big production here without Miller.

The messaging to the team should be, we don't f around, and if you don't play well we will act accordingly. No more country club culture that the core has helped build. Signing Boeser means mostly running it back and just being a mediocre wildcard team for the next two years. How does that help Hughes at all?

Trading Boeser at least gets you assets + cap space to utilize in an attempt to transform your team.

 

[Breakers]

There is no doubt in my mind this idiot owner is going to instruct this management to do something stupid at the deadline

I’m anticipating a desperate extension last minute to a slow winger that can’t transition the puck.

 

[Bobby9]

I feel like I have a losers mentality cheering on this team.

24 years and I have nothing but stress to show for it. Calling BB6 a self rental is insane.

 

[kanucks25]

Right now, if you sell off Boeser, Suter and everyone else, you're not only telling Hughes the team is just dead for this season and possibly next year too.

I wouldn't trade Suter, I think he's worth more to the team than what he'll bring on the market. And trading Boeser doesn't at all mean you're tanking next season, too... not even close.

The whole "build for the Sedins" was little more than a marketing ploy because the average fan tends to believe it.

No it wasn't, that was literally the plan. Why do you think they kept signing older UFA's and never weaponized their cap space? Yeah they tried to and did get younger but they never intended to not compete, that just happened by accident.

 

[Nucker42]

Being a fan of this team is depressing. There’s fact there’s even a question that Boeser could stay or go sums this franchise up.

One of the worst prospect pools in the league, not much coming. Injured stars. Stars feuding.

And we’re talking about self rentals. So embarrassing. If they keep Boeser after the deadline and he walks for nothing I’m taking a break from this team.

 

[Nona Di Giuseppe]

This. Getting assets and cap space right now so you can be aggressive at the draft is more important than feelings right now.

The best management teams remove emotion from the equation. All that matters is the Cup.

Yeah. Hughes surely will think like this next contract. This take is completely out to lunch.

Being a fan of this team is depressing. There’s fact there’s even a question that Boeser could stay or go sums this franchise up.

One of the worst prospect pools in the league, not much coming. Injured stars. Stars feuding.

And we’re talking about self rentals. So embarrassing. If they keep Boeser after the deadline and he walks for nothing I’m taking a break from this team.

dramatic

 

[sensodyne17]

I'm ready to vomit when the Boeser 6x$8M contract is announced.

Agreed - unfortunately.

He's been horrible all year and has looked even worse without Miller.

Boeser needs an elite playmaker to unlock his potential. We don't have anyone near that level right now... we might seriously be paying $8M+ for 50-55 points for the next X amount of years before he completely falls off from his skating.

People that are not ready to move on from Boeser - have you guys watched him play lately? He is god awful right now. Playing like he doesn't want to be here.

 

[M2Beezy]

Yall make good arguments and Im not sure what the best decision is at this point. Ill cheer the team whatever decision they make but this aint no picnic decision either way here tho I do love the Dhaliwal guy saying either Brock Boeser signs, gets traded or stays and walks lol haha no way

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

I wouldn't trade Suter, I think he's worth more to the team than what he'll bring on the market. And trading Boeser doesn't at all mean you're tanking next season, too... not even close.

It does if you don't have a solid plan to replace him. Who's trading a top six 30-40 goal scorer for a mid to late 1st and a prospect? Even a good one. Any team we talk to is immediately asking for Lekkerimaki or Willander++. We know this because that was why it took so long to finally get Marcus. Every team we talked to for a defense upgrade wanted Willander.

Yes, Ehlers, Rantanen and Marner are available, but what reason would they have to sign here? To play with the 11.6M 50 point Pettersson? Frankly, unless Winnipeg completely bombs, I doubt Ehlers touches FA.

Trading Boeser is fine if he prices himself out. At that point, we really can't afford to lose him for nothing. But it also puts at risk of another Guentzel situation. He was all but ready to sign... until Tampa swooped in and made us the Bridesmaid.

No it wasn't, that was literally the plan. Why do you think they kept signing older UFA's and never weaponized their cap space? Yeah they tried to and did get younger but they never intended to not compete, that just happened by accident.

Those aren't mutually exclusive though. Yes, they tried to build around winning for the Sedins. It was still a marketing ploy to avoid a full rebuild Aquilini didn't want to do in hopes of getting playoff revenue even if we never actually won anything. Basically, it was a convenient excuse.

 

[wonton15]

“Patrik, lets self rental Boeser, trade the 1st for Brayden Schenn, and acquire Jason Zucker. Get in, we’re going to the playoffs”

 

[Quinning]

I think the biggest challenge in competing during a Cap Era is maximizing your roster talent while your ELCs are outperforming their cap hits.

We needed to be a true contender while our core had a combined hit of $20 million. But that got f***ed because of horrendous asset management through the rest of the roster. That's where your Beagles and Roussels are absolute death sentences.

Now we need another wave of elite ELC talent. Willander and Lekkerimaki are a start, but they aren't on the same level of Pettersson and Hughes.

 

[krutovsdonut]

I will be absolutely f***ing choked if we trade Boeser for magic beans right now. It would be an insane decision for where the team is at.

Again, this sort of mentality absolutely blows my mind.

If we somehow turn Boeser into Lafreniere or something, fair enough. But this team should not (and will not) be trading core players for magic beans when we're sitting in a playoff spot. And it won't be a 'massive joke' when it doesn't happen.

how about flippable magic beans?

i think you are safe. aquaman is not going to let a team this close to the playoffs go backwards. he will say "replace him now or in free agency".

 

[Michael Dal Swolle]

Trading draft picks and prospects to build around the declining 34 year old Sedins in 2014 is pretty clearly not the same thing as selling the same kinds of assets to build a competitive team to prevent a 25 year old Hughes from ditching us to play with his brothers.

 

[Ernie]

Boeser for Ehlers +.

 

[Orr4Norris]

Yeah. Hughes surely will think like this next contract. This take is completely out to lunch.



dramatic

Yes. Removing emotion and prioritizing a Cup is out to lunch. Hughes definitely doesn’t want that. lol

 

[MS]

how about flippable magic beans?

i think you are safe. aquaman is not going to let a team this close to the playoffs go backwards. he will say "replace him now or in free agency".

Well, yeah - that's what I was saying in my post. If they trade Boeser for futures and then immediately flip those futures for Lafreniere or something, fair enough.

But the notion that we should flip Boeser for picks and then either use those picks in the summer or move them then is just ... it's not going to happen. It isn't how it works. And people are just setting up something to get mad at when it predictably doesn't happen.

And as we've seen in prior cases, the people who claim 'well, we can flip those picks!' generally tend to get REALLY MAD when we actually do flip those picks instead of using them.