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[Bourne Endeavor]

Florida recognized Huberdeau's faults, even after a 115p season, and fleeced Calgary, then won the cup.

EP's issues were on full display during his 100p year, and early the next. It should have been seen and acted upon. Could have gotten an absolute haul. Star winger, #3d +

Would have been able to give Bo his 8milly and run JT-Bo each with a top tier winger.

Now we've waited too long, blown 2 Norris campaigns from Hughes. It doesn't really matter what happens, none of the even remotely available names move the needle much to come out of the West.

That's a lot of revisionist history.

Florida simply didn't want to pay what Huberdeau wanted and pounced on an exceedingly rare opportunity to get a younger star who just so happened to want out of Canada. This wasn't some masterclass of scouting, but taking advantage of an opportunity. A good move on their part, however it was also one damn near everyone thought was absurd.

Even with how bad things turned out, they didn't fleece Calgary. Weeger is still an excellent defenseman and Huberdeau is actually having a respectable season right now. Would they rather have Tkachuk? Absolutely. But that was never an option.

As for EP. Absolutely nobody was thinking of trading him nor were these supposed "issues" on display. That's complete nonsense. It's easy to look back with hindsight and say we'd have gotten a haul. We'd also look like morons if he put up 100+ again while we were waiting on prospects to become that.

No GM is ever trading a 100 point player unless they have to. It doesn't matter if we had Benning, Allvin, Zito or whoever else.

 

[Bobby9]

You just know we’re getting Sam Bennett on a really bad contract

 

[LemonSauceD]

And here we go

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

And here we go

There’s this, too.



In the replies, he mentions the Canucks seem “busier” than usual - no practices, no morning skates, but busy behind the scenes is the inference. I’m trying to remember who said it, but someone else mentioned that recently, too.

Barzal and Dobson would be the guys I’d be targeting IF we traded Petey (still think we should work with him). But if you go for Barzal, you’re basically writing off this season given his current injury.

 

[LemonSauceD]

There’s this, too.



In the replies, he mentions the Canucks seem “busier” than usual - no practices, no morning skates, but busy behind the scenes is the inference. I’m trying to remember who said it, but someone else mentioned that recently, too.

Barzal and Dobson would be the guys I’d be targeting IF we traded Petey (still think we should work with him). But if you go for Barzal, you’re basically writing off this season given his current injury.

f*** it, quoting Taj FFS.

 

[Canucker]

Not sure what "busier than normal" entails or if its even noteworthy? It's their last game before the 4 nations nonsense so I'm sure there are some additional details that might make for some extra coordination for players and the team.

 

[LemonSauceD]

Petey for Dobson as the main centerpiece is going to be a massive mistake. Dobson is maybe a bit better than Hronek but Dobson needs PP minutes and he’s not taking anything away from Hughes. Hronek also needs his PP minutes. Then there’s Willander who’s got the potential tools we need for a more rounded back end..

 

[ExarKun80]

The only trade that i would agree with from NY is Skinny for Barzal but i doubt uncle Lou would do it.

 

[thecupismine]

There’s this, too.



In the replies, he mentions the Canucks seem “busier” than usual - no practices, no morning skates, but busy behind the scenes is the inference. I’m trying to remember who said it, but someone else mentioned that recently, too.

Barzal and Dobson would be the guys I’d be targeting IF we traded Petey (still think we should work with him). But if you go for Barzal, you’re basically writing off this season given his current injury.

If you're targetting Dobson, its probably to flip him. I don't see him as a guy with a ton of value in the role he'd play here. He's not getting 70 points playing PP1 here, and those counting stats are going to demand a huge contract this summer that he's simply not worth (to this team).

Barzal is a decently skilled top line winger, but that leaves a gaping hole in the middle the Canucks have zero shot at filling. Would rather take my chances and pray Petey returns to form next year than get that kind of package.

 

[periferal]

NYR isn't finishing bottom 5 with Shesterkin

What if he gets injured?

 

[TruGr1t]

Petey for Dobson as the main centerpiece is going to be a massive mistake. Dobson is maybe a bit better than Hronek but Dobson needs PP minutes and he’s not taking anything away from Hughes. Hronek also needs his PP minutes. Then there’s Willander who’s got the potential tools we need for a more rounded back end..

Not sure how you trade EP40 without a high-end forward piece coming back. I guess if you get a 1st rounder thrown in again you can go shopping.

 

[Jerry the great]

Petey for Dobson as the main centerpiece is going to be a massive mistake. Dobson is maybe a bit better than Hronek but Dobson needs PP minutes and he’s not taking anything away from Hughes. Hronek also needs his PP minutes. Then there’s Willander who’s got the potential tools we need for a more rounded back end..

they could always run a 2D PP

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

For the record, I think we should keep Petey. Get him a sport psychologist, get a good vet or two to help him and guide him, give him the support he needs.

If we are trading with the Isles, I only really see Barzal and Dobson as appealing pieces on the roster. Dobson, as has been pointed out, isn’t as great a fit especially post MP3 trade, but he’s a much better asset than most of that roster. Ditto for Barzal.

But again, I’d rather we not trade Petey - even if it means we are waiting into next season for him to regain his form.

 

[TruGr1t]

For the record, I think we should keep Petey. Get him a sport psychologist, get a good vet or two to help him and guide him, give him the support he needs.

If we are trading with the Isles, I only really see Barzal and Dobson as appealing pieces on the roster. Dobson, as has been pointed out, isn’t as great a fit especially post MP3 trade, but he’s a much better asset than most of that roster. Ditto for Barzal.

But again, I’d rather we not trade Petey - even if it means we are waiting into next season for him to regain his form.

No Horvat reunion?

 

[LemonSauceD]

No Horvat reunion?

if horvat is coming back along with Dobson that would be insane. No way isles do that tho.

Horvat > Barzal

He’d have to waive his NTC though, not sure what his family situation is like but I’d imagine it wouldn’t be too hard to go back to a place you’re familiar with. Even still, huge long shot we get Horvat back.

 

[andora]

Not sure what "busier than normal" entails or if its even noteworthy? It's their last game before the 4 nations nonsense so I'm sure there are some additional details that might make for some extra coordination for players and the team.

They probably just got to the arena earlier than usual which means they saw people they don't normally see walking in and they think more people means busier

 

[TruGr1t]

if horvat is coming back along with Dobson that would be insane. No way isles do that tho.

Horvat > Barzal

If Dobson is coming back, that's one scenario I could see Willander being included, I mean your top-four is set for the foreseeable future.

 

[rypper]

I'm just going to come along and fire hose piss all over this talk.

Horvat has a full no trade, Barzal has a 22 team no trade.

Barzal and Dobson are listed as out indefinitely with injuries.

A team in the playoff hunt isn't trading for broken toys to help their run.

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

No Horvat reunion?

Can’t see either side going for it, really. I think it would be cool on one hand, but I think there’s too much hard feelings between Horvat and Canucks’ management, and I can’t see the Isles wanting to move him, either.

 

[TruGr1t]

I'm just going to come along and fire hose piss all over this talk.

Horvat has a full no trade, Barzal has a 22 team no trade.

Barzal and Dobson are listed as out indefinitely with injuries.

A team in the playoff hunt isn't trading for broken toys to help their run.

Canucks probably focused more on next season at this point. Playoffs this year are gravy since they'll probably easily get bounced in first round.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

And here we go

They want Michael Backlund?

 

[Jerry the great]

Barzal is a highly skilled winger who has some great attributes, but seems injury prone. He'd be a nice add....but a poor swap IMO; mostly because he's not a viable C (IMO).

Dobson is a young RHD with Norris trophy upside. I get the debate over fit, but he's also an insurance policy for QB1 if Hughes bolts, and a huge trade chip in a year if Hughes extends.

End of the day, all else being equal #1D is worth a lot more than #1W

 

[TruGr1t]

This would be the oldest-school, craziest trade ... something like Pettersson + Willander + Pick for Horvat (or) Barzal + Dobson + Pick. Not sure how we make that cap work, but guess it's going up.

 

[Hodgy]

Allvin and the medical staff know about the injury (Tocchet said the MStaff discussed it), they just didn't think they had to shut him down.

The discussion is about his current injury or lack thereof, not last year. We know he had an injury last season.

Pettersson directly conflicting their understanding is not puzzling, it's illuminating. They disagree.

I don’t think it has to be overly illuminating though. It could be just explained by the fact that it was an insignificant injury and that players don’t typically disclose or speak of such insignificant injuries, nor do management. If we are being realistic, it’s pretty clear that players don’t list every injury they were playing with, there must be some de minimis threshold. And frankly, Pettersson looked sheepish even using the injury as an excuse.

Dhaliwal is 100% a credible source. It's just unlikely he is filtering information from Pettersson.

Bag language on my part. My point is that not everything he reports ends up being true, and it’s possible his sources were wrong on this.

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

Barzal is a highly skilled winger who has some great attributes, but seems injury prone. He'd be a nice add....but a poor swap IMO; mostly because he's not a viable C (IMO).

Dobson is a young RHD with Norris trophy upside. I get the debate over fit, but he's also an insurance policy for QB1 if Hughes bolts, and a huge trade chip in a year if Hughes extends.

End of the day, all else being equal #1D is worth a lot more than #1W

There’s also the old saying that defense wins championships. A top four of Hughes, Dobson, Hronek and Pettersson is certainly drool worthy.