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[Hodgy]

Training camp and a regular season also aggravates tendonitis too, does it not?

So is Pettersson not making a mistake by playing through it?

Where are all the people frustrated over him playing in this 4 cups tourney or whatever? Why are you not wanting him to rest?

The logic seems to be that Pettersson has no agency in any decision regarding his health and whether to play and/or doesn’t have access to other doctors or medical advice, which isn’t substantiated by anything, really.

We’ve seen lots of top player’s get second opinions on team medical advice when they don’t agree or trust it. Pettersson hasn’t done this.

 

[I am toxic]

I like it

Bravo

Heavy lifting

Mission accomplished

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Really liked this interview with Soucy. He answered some tough questions, took ownership, and sounds like he benefitted from the reset. I for one hope he turns things around and provides the depth we need.

“Once I was freed from Juulsen, everything changed”

 

[mriswith]

Training camp and a regular season also aggravates tendonitis too, does it not?

So is Pettersson not making a mistake by playing through it?

Where are all the people frustrated over him playing in this 4 cups tourney or whatever? Why are you not wanting him to rest?

If one offseason didn't clear it up then what makes you all think that another one is going to?

A lot of us were very frustrated he played through it last season and have given up on wishing for him to take time off and recover because if it didn't happen last year, when it objectively, verifiably, 100% should have happened then it's not going to happen.

Mgmt was and continues to be actively and publicly hostile towards any slight hint that injury is influencing his behavior, a continuation of a pattern of completely disregarding player injuries for any player not just EP. There's just no reason to expect EP will change anything to deal with it in season.

 

[TraderJim]

Objective, verified chronic injuries that also screwed up his offseason are just excuses?

As for when did you say it was just 1 thing, well, you were replying to me and I only listed one thing.

I get people are frustrated and want to move him because of that. I'm frustrated too, particularly now that the defense is fixed and Demko looked vintage last night, this is a totally different team now.

But personally I wouldn't move him unless his injury was permanent because I don't believe any of the other explanations, including the ways that he is at fault no matter how valid, are reasons to believe he's permanently done as a player after ~400 games of being a ppg player. And I don't think we'd get a 1C back for him.

Teams don't win cups without a 1C so to me it feels like we are cornered into waiting for him to figure it out. Which also makes PA/JR's hyper antagonistic approach to the situation even more stupid.

So if the Canucks start next season and he is the exact same player as he is right now but he now has a full NMC. What do you think you'll get back in return?

If December 2025 rolls around and Pettersson is sitting at a 50 point pace, how much of a "1C" are you getting back then when you trade him?

What team is going to take on a player who is 27 and has chronic injuries who is getting $11+ a year for another 6 years?

This is what none of you are considering. You are all assuming your version of things are going to be the way it goes and that everyone else must just be a hater or a "sin eater" or whatever label you need to find to attack with.

 

[I am toxic]

Training camp and a regular season also aggravates tendonitis too, does it not?

So is Pettersson not making a mistake by playing through it?

Where are all the people over him playing in this 4 cups tourney or whatever? Why are you not wanting him to rest?

If one offseason didn't clear it up then what makes you all think that another one is going to?

Sitting in front of my keyboard, mashing out this post?

Why do you wanting to think me not wanting him to rest?

And yes, from a max Petey performance POV, he should have been shut down when the injury occurred, rehabbed, retrained and rejoined. In the stupid world of clawing for a wildcard spot, he plays because he is better than anyone on the farm

 

[Bgav]

The defense looks incredibly solid for the foreseeable future. Now, the focus should be on bringing in a top-line winger and likely a second-line center. If they can pull that off, we're COOKING.

Hopefully, one day, Lekks can develop into the kind of internal winger who steps up as a top-six player and becomes a consistent 30-40 goal scorer.

 

[TraderJim]

Sitting in front of my keyboard, mashing out this post?

Why do you wanting to think me not wanting him to rest?

And yes, from a max Petey performance POV, he should have been shut down when the injury occurred, rehabbed, retrained and rejoined. In the stupid world of clawing for a wildcard spot, he plays because he is better than anyone on the farm

If he sat out training camp and the start of the regular season, we'd have a 100% Pettersson who would come in and dominate.

But that didn't happen. I wonder why.

 

[mriswith]

So if the Canucks start next season and he is the exact same player as he is right now but he now has a full NMC. What do you think you'll get back in return?

If December 2025 rolls around and Pettersson is sitting at a 50 point pace, how much of a "1C" are you getting back then when you trade him?

What team is going to take on a player who is 27 and has chronic injuries who is getting $11+ a year for another 6 years?

This is what none of you are considering. You are all assuming your version of things are going to be the way it goes and that everyone else must just be a hater or a "sin eater" or whatever label you need to find to attack with.

Of course we've considered that.

Anyone who wants to keep him believes that it is more likely he returns to the same form he was for the first 400 games of his career than that the injury, or we can call it the current drop off in play to accommodate the very few people who still believe despite all logic, evidence and reason that his injury was a nonfactor, that this drop off in play is permanent and he's going to be a slow, shot avoidant 50 point centre for the rest of his career.

And no, this is not a "you all" situation. Everyone has slightly different opinions on EP that can't be painted with one brush.

 

[Spectrefire]

Assuming the team dumps Soucy's 3.25m by the deadline and trades Boeser.

We're going to have 22m next season to spend on a Lankinen extension + massively improving our forward group.

 

[I am toxic]

If he sat out training camp and the start of the regular season, we'd have a 100% Pettersson who would come in and dominate.

But that didn't happen. I wonder why.

If he was shut down in January 2024 when the injury occurred and rehabbed it and retrained before coming back, we'd have a 100% Pettersson who would come in and dominate.

But that didn't happen. I wonder why.

 

[TraderJim]

If he was shut down in January 2024 when the injury occurred and rehabbed it and retrained before coming back, we'd have a 100% Pettersson who would come in and dominate.

But that didn't happen. I wonder why.

My guess is that because the injury isn't that bad and that it is being used as an excuse but I assume that isn't why you think. So please, let me know. Are you suggesting that the coaches and management are purposefully not letting him rest?

 

[Lindgren]

“Once I was freed from Juulsen, everything changed”

Soucy needs to give EP40 PR lessons.

 

[VanillaCoke]

For those interested:

Canucks will now have two full seasons after this one, of Quinn Hughes, MP3, and Hronek, for the same or less money than nurse and bouchard ....

 

[I am toxic]

My guess is that because the injury isn't that bad and that it is being used as an excuse but I assume that isn't why you think. So please, let me know. Are you suggesting that the coaches and management are purposefully not letting him rest?

You think tendonitis is an excuse?

With tendonitis, the more someone tries to play through the pain, the worse it gets.

Not even play through, even stabilizing it in the wrong position will aggravate it. You know this, right? Because your arguments show the opposite.

 

[TraderJim]

You think tendonitis is an excuse?

With tendonitis, the more someone tries to play through the pain, the worse it gets.

Not even play through, even stabilizing it in the wrong position will aggravate it. You know this, right? Because your arguments show the opposite.

You didn't even answer me. Who prevented EP40 from taking training camp and the start of the season off in your opinion?

 

[I am toxic]

You didn't even answer me. Who prevented EP40 from taking training camp and the start of the season off in your opinion?

That is on EP40, the POHO, the GM, the coaches, the medical staff, and ignorant fans who believe in playing through injuries. That's who

Definitely not me

 

[TraderJim]

That is on EP40, the POHO, the GM, the coaches, the medical staff, and ignorant fans who believe in playing through injuries. That's who

Definitely not me

So the people closest to the situation are the ones who were wrong, including the player himself, and the fans who think it is 100% on the tendentious is right?

At this point, I think we can just agree to disagree and move on.

 

[mriswith]

So the people closest to the situation are the ones who were wrong, including the player himself, and the fans who think it is 100% on the tendentious is right?

Who thinks it's 100% on the tendentious?

 

[TraderJim]

Who thinks it's 100% on the tendentious?

Oh sorry, yeah. The tendentious, his wingers, his deployment, the defender he plays with, the coaches game plan, and his mean teammates.

I forgot to list the entire catalogue of all of his issues.

 

[I am toxic]

So the people closest to the situation are the ones who were wrong, including the player himself, and the fans who think it is 100% on the tendentious is right?

Well, the first part is obviously correct

The second part is a straw man

I assume people know what a straw man is, even when they have no clue about tendonitis

 

[TraderJim]

Well, the first part is obviously correct

The second part is a straw man

I assume people know what a straw man is, even when they have no clue about tendonitis

You'd think the medical staff would know about tendonitis but go ahead and explain what a straw man argument is.

 

[mriswith]

Oh sorry, yeah. The tendentious, his wingers, his deployment, the defender he plays with, the coaches game plan, and his mean teammates.

I forgot to list the entire catalogue of all of his issues.

I wouldn't assume anything positive about our medical staff after everything we've seen over the years including very recent examples like the Mikheyev debacle.

Canucks medical staff:

 

[Vector]

I see no real reason to dump Soucy at the moment. Trade him if there's a reason to reallocate his cap hit and roster spot to a forward but, otherwise, he's a good buffer that prevents Juulsen getting into the line-up.

Moving him in the off-season makes sense. Especially if D-Petey can continue his advancement.

 

[TraderJim]

I wouldn't assume anything positive about our medical staff after everything we've seen over the years including very recent examples like the Mikheyev debacle.

Canucks medical staff:
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And people questioned my associating Pettersson stans with the Benning lemmings.

The player, the doctors, the coach, the gm, the president. They are all wrong but that one interview back in March where Pettersson says he needs time off is all you need to spin this narrative.