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ManVanFan said:
Are the Canucks tanking in the middle of their window all of a sudden?
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On the contrary, if we can get a top 4 defensemen and top 6 center on a trade, it improves our chances IMO. Also gives us more breathing space in resigning Hughes. Sometimes a shake up is required to give a team a jolt. Not advocating a trade if all we get is a bunch of first round picks and future prospects.
 
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Grub said:
On the contrary, if we can get a top 4 defensemen and top 6 center on a trade, it improves our chances IMO. Also gives us more breathing space in resigning Hughes. Sometimes a shake up is required to give a team a jolt. Not advocating a trade if all we get is a bunch of first round picks and future prospects.
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That's basically what Calgary did was get a top 6 winger and top 4 D and then added a top 6 center in free agency and missed the playoffs. I'm not saying Van is in the exact same situation but can anyone name a time where a team won trading the best player in the trade away and won the trade?

Since Pettersson entered the league the Canucks are 21-24-7 without him. 223-174-52 with him.

7-7-3 without Miller since 19-20

I should state, "they need each other".
 
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Canucks LB said:
The fact the managment has not come out and straight up said "JT Miller is NOT going to get traded, we love him here, he is going to be with us for a long time" to stop the drama is telling.

This is still gonna happen most likely.

Same and/or With Petey
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I'm not so sure. Even today during the intermission interview Allvin was praising everyone. The management has been pretty bipolar about the whole thing. Players going to bed not knowing if they'll wake up a Canuck tomorrow. It's anti-Rantanen: apparently he had no idea he was getting traded and it was a shock. Well, imagine being JT and thinking you're getting traded any minute now and it actually not happening. This is a form of torture and a source of huge distress for the whole team.
 
xtr3m said:
I'm not so sure. Even today during the intermission interview Allvin was praising everyone. The management has been pretty bipolar about the whole thing. Players going to bed not knowing if they'll wake up a Canuck tomorrow. It's anti-Rantanen: apparently he had no idea he was getting traded and it was a shock. Well, imagine being JT and thinking you're getting traded any minute now and it actually not happening. This is a form of torture and a source of huge distress for the whole team.
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Management did exactly the same thing to Horvat that Avs did to Rantanen. Contract talks then you're traded.

It's been said that Carolina talked to Avs at the draft about Rantanen and talks have been going on for weeks. I would bet Canucks management is doing the same thing. Talking until one team steps up with an appropriate offer they feel either Petey or Miller is worth and it will get done. If it doesn't happen, I can certainly see this team staying the way it is right now and hopefully making a push to the playoffs.

If they do do nothing and Van gets rolling. I'd be pretty worried about facing them in the playoffs. A lot of talent on this team that has played very poorly but teams know what they can do when healthy and playing well. Playoff atmosphere might be something these guys need to come together.
 
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Would love to keep both Pettersson and Miller. Get them to go bungee jumping together or something and learn to trust eachother. Lock them in a room or something and leave them there until they work it out. 100 point centermen are next to impossible to replace and both players bring an element to the team that we don't have without them. Therefore I would look to trade Boeser and possibly Demko. Boeser I love as a player and person but his contract probably won't age well especially if he's looking for 8 million longterm. Speed is a must in today's game and Boes simply doesn't have it. Demko is another player who is fantastic but I am not sure if he will ever come back from this injury. Demmer has been playing with a new stance that he is not comfortable with and he doesn't look like himself. Love Demko but not sure if he will ever be healthy enough to go forward with as the starter.

If you can trade Boeser for a package where you get a forward and a defenseman that would be fantastic.

The same with Demko, if you can get a forward or defenseman or possibly both, that would be ideal.

Hoglander should be used in a trade if he holds any value. Or add him in a deal with a player above.

Desharnais and Juulsen should be shipped to the moon. Let Pettersson the second develop some time in the NHL since he's already better than both.

Either way even if Allvin is possibly trading Pettersson/Miller I think he should wait until the offseason because he will get more value. Their value right now seems to be at a low point and teams continue to lowball Allvin in hopes to get a steal.

Start off with the player or players who you aren't moving forward with first, which is possibly Boeser, Hoglander, Desharnais, Juulsen and maybe Demko.
 
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Grub said:
On the contrary, if we can get a top 4 defensemen and top 6 center on a trade, it improves our chances IMO. Also gives us more breathing space in resigning Hughes. Sometimes a shake up is required to give a team a jolt. Not advocating a trade if all we get is a bunch of first round picks and future prospects.
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Our cap situation is not that bad. Cap is going to be 100+ when Hughes is up and we should have a bunch of cheap contracts in Willander, DPetey, Lekk and maybe Raty.
Management has proven that they can find guys who are cheap that can contribute over their cap.
If we have to trade Miller then so be it but it will be pretty devastating to trade both Miller and Petey.
 
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The best case scenario is the team wins a few, everyone gets along, and they forget this stupid stretch where everyone was miserable. Also crazy how you take out the two worst puck movers (its insane how Juulsen doesn't have a single assist with this much playtime) and everyone starts playing better, no one could've seen that coming.

Even if the top guys are at 80% of the level they were last year, it's better than what the rumored packages being offered were.

Might be wishful thinking, but games like last night where you see everyone unlocked & Miller happy post-game are a reminder of what they can be.
 
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thecupismine said:
The best case scenario is the team wins a few, everyone gets along, and they forget this stupid stretch where everyone was miserable. Also crazy how you take out the two worst puck movers (its insane how Juulsen doesn't have a single assist with this much playtime) and everyone starts playing better, no one could've seen that coming.

Even if the top guys are at 80% of the level they were last year, it's better than what the rumored packages being offered were.

Might be wishful thinking, but games like last night where you see everyone unlocked & Miller happy post-game are a reminder of what they can be.
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I have said for a while that the main culprit is the composition of the defense. When you have two or three guys in the bottom four who literally cannot move the puck, it hurts your offense, duh.

The other thing is, obviously this team needs well-above-average to great goaltending to compete (not surprising with this defense) ... the rough patch occurred when Lankinen went through his struggle session after being overplayed and was sick, and Demko has sucked all year.
 
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JT Milker said:
If only the Canucks had thought of just forcing Pettersson and Miller to get along.
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It's like oil and water. They don't have to get along but Miller has to stay in his lane and they can't form cliques. No teammate should have to be in a position whether they have to choose between them. If cliques are forming, it should be around Hughes.

If neither are traded, I think the most proactive thing the team could do in season is strip the A's from both of them and give them to Myers and Garland. Send a strong message that neither has been a leader this year.
 
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Ernie said:
It's like oil and water. They don't have to get along but Miller has to stay in his lane and they can't form cliques. No teammate should have to be in a position whether they have to choose between them. If cliques are forming, it should be around Hughes.

If neither are traded, I think the most proactive thing the team could do in season is strip the A's from both of them and give them to Myers and Garland. Send a strong message that neither has been a leader this year.
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I think adding more drama and feeding the media with more stuff is not the way to go.

TruGr1t said:
I have said for a while that the main culprit is the composition of the defense. When you have two or three guys in the bottom four who literally cannot move the puck, it hurts your offense, duh.

The other thing is, obviously this team needs well-above-average to great goaltending to compete (not surprising with this defense) ... the rough patch occurred when Lankinen went through his struggle session after being overplayed and was sick, and Demko has sucked all year.
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Demko is the biggest concern. The team won’t go anywhere even if smash it and get insane returns for Petey and Miller if Demko doesn’t return to form.
 
Pettersson is playing third-line minutes and making $11.6M ... it is time to stare in the mirror and decide whether you think this guy can turn it around because if he doesn't his value will plummet as soon as next year and you're stuck with the deal. If you can still get a premium package back, you probably have to have a serious discussion at this point.

"100-point Pettersson" can become "vastly overpaid Pettersson" pretty quick.
 
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arttk said:
I think adding more drama and feeding the media with more stuff is not the way to go.
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I don't really see it as adding more drama but setting the standard for the rest of the season. If either player responds negatively they should be traded in the offseason.
 
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Pettersson is playing third-line minutes and making $11.6M ... it is time to stare in the mirror and decide whether you think this guy can turn it around because if he doesn't his value will plummet as soon as next year and you're stuck with the deal. If you can still get a premium package back, you probably have to have a serious discussion at this point.

"100-point Pettersson" can become "vastly overpaid Pettersson" pretty quick.
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If we're using icetime as metric, Pettersson has averaged almost a minute more than MIller this season. Conor Garland has seen his icetime jump by almost 5 minutes over last season.
 
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Ernie said:
If we're using icetime as metric, Pettersson has averaged almost a minute more than MIller this season. Conor Garland has seen his icetime jump by almost 5 minutes over last season.
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Miller is not making $11.6M and has an NMC. Plus his value is in the toilet.
 
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Miller is not making $11.6M and has an NMC. Plus his value is in the toilet.
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I don't disagree that his contract is a huge concern. But if you trade him and Miller, you pretty much have to rebuild. If you trade him alone, you're basically relying on Miller to return to elite form for the next 2-3 seasons, which is tenuous at best. With Pettersson you at least have some runway and his defensive game is elite still while Miller when playing away from Hughes is a huge liability.
 
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Ernie said:
I don't disagree that his contract is a huge concern. But if you trade him and Miller, you pretty much have to rebuild. If you trade him alone, you're basically relying on Miller to return to elite form for the next 2-3 seasons, which is tenuous at best. With Pettersson you at least have some runway and his defensive game is elite still while Miller when playing away from Hughes is a huge liability.
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They will not trade both, I'm fairly convinced on that. I agree on the runway, but it won't matter over the next 2-3 years probably.
 
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We're not trading Dahlin unless he asks. He's as important to us as Hughes is to you. Our defense is already far from ideal, and to lose the absolute best defenseman, without whom they cannot win a single game, no thanks. Power and Byram aren't even close to replacing him, that would be stupid.
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What about a bigger trade?

To Vancouver : Dahlin, 2025 3rd round pick

To Buff: Pettersson, Hoglander, Desharnais, Kunz, 2026 6th, 2027 6th
 
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Ernie said:
I don't really see it as adding more drama but setting the standard for the rest of the season. If either player responds negatively they should be traded in the offseason.
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I think the media will just eat it up and make it into a thing, especially if it’s after the trade deadline and there are less storylines to talk about
 
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