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[Vector]

What? There is another interview?

The team needs to go completely dark. I don’t care about pre and post game interviews anyway. They’re useless. Nothing of essence is ever said there.

If someone gets traded, we’ll know from the announcement. Otherwise just hit the ice and play.

 

[Szechwan]

An interview about an interview, classic Vancouver stuff

 

[arttk]

I think they really have to focus on a young 20’s C who could be a Top 6 C but not yet.

Whether that’s in a EP or JT trade or separately.

2 1st for Brazal

 

[xtr3m]

Ok, then what was even the point of Rutherford speaking to Globe and Mail, and then spending the next day damage controlling?

It’s nothing new for the team.
It can’t be news for other GM’s.

Was it to just jerk us fans and make our lives that much more miserable?

 

[xtr3m]

An interview about an interview, classic Vancouver stuff

 

[ginner classic]

The problem is buying a 1C is extremely hard to do. Over the last 10 years we’ve had what a handful of 1C get traded/signed as UFA?

Looking around the league who would even potentially be available?

It’s why you can see a petey trade almost needs you to bring back the future 1C for it to work cuz the miller trade ain’t gonna do that.

It's even harder to get a 1C by trading a 1C. As in it never, ever happens. Smart GMs arbitrage. Acquire high picks at the deadline when they have less value, trade picks at the draft for players when they have more value.

Draft picks are the same as cash. If you have them you can buy things. If you don't it's hard Players are not that way.

How did we acquire JT for example?

 

[StickShift]

I think they really have to focus on a young 20’s C who could be a Top 6 C but not yet.

Whether that’s in a EP or JT trade or separately.

I am curious about whether Anaheim gets involved in Pettersson. There was some murmur a while back that McTavish could be moved. He would be a smart bet for top-6 center upside.

He just had a hot-week too. Which may take him off the block. Or may be impetus to sell high...

 

[Nick Lang]

The biggest head-scratcher was when Rutherford was basically asked by reporters: "If you knew they hated each other, why did you sign them both to long-term contracts?"

The answer, if you can call it that, was while they've known for a long time they didn't get along, by retaining both their star players, they were preserving their trade options moving forward....What?

When rival teams know you're being basically 'forced' to sacrifice one of them, how that 'increase' or even 'protect' their trade value? Just another nonsensical chapter in the long-running Canuck soap opera I guess.

It's like Boeser. If they didn't sign him he would have been worthless that first year. Now he's worth something in a trade. Same as JT and Petey. They're both worth more signed than not.

The problem is one should have been traded before it got to this.

 

[Nuckles]

Soooo. Let's say we move Miller for lesser pieces.. Who are the top 6 C options in FA? I've only seen Bennet mentioned and I have my doubts he leaves FLA for this tire fire.

A bunch of these guys aren't really even centers. Thank puckpedia. Most of the top options are old.

*Nelson turns 34 in October, Granlund turns 33 next month

And the RFAs

 

[TruGr1t]

Ok, then what was even the point of Rutherford speaking to Globe and Mail, and then spending the next day damage controlling?

It’s nothing new for the team.
It can’t be news for other GM’s.

Was it to just jerk us fans and make our lives that much more miserable?

To be fair, Mason for some reason decided to omit a bunch of pretty relevant quotes and context from Rutherford in his original article until prompted on social media (he posted them afterward). I'm not sure I really blame them for going out in an attempt to clarify.

 

[Peen]

jake evans is the only guy where im like yeah we could get him on a contract i don't actually hate

 

[tmac51]

A bunch of these guys aren't really even centers. Thank puckpedia. Most of the top options are old.

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And the RFAs

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Trade Miller to Dallas, then offersheet Johnston in the offseason

 

[ginner classic]

The problem is buying a 1C is extremely hard to do. Over the last 10 years we’ve had what a handful of 1C get traded/signed as UFA?

Looking around the league who would even potentially be available?

It’s why you can see a petey trade almost needs you to bring back the future 1C for it to work cuz the miller trade ain’t gonna do that.

Think a little more broadly. Is any team that needs a center going to trade a center? No. Like it never happens. Does a contender trade a key piece to acquire one. Sometimes. What do they do? Trade picks and prospects. That's what they don't value when contending. So you take those picks and prospects and fill holes, or acquire fhe thing you need. All the evidence points to that. Convert your assets to cash (picks) and spend that cash when peope want them. Trading players and contracts is hard. Trading picks is dead easy.

Dim Jim could never figure that out.

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

Jim Rutherford should just release a 10 part podcast where he rambles about the lockerroom.

@valkynax

 

[VanillaCoke]

Jim Rutherford should just release a 10 part podcast where he rambles about the lockerroom.

Jimmy & Dhali

*sponsored by, and recorded with Crown Royal.

 

[xtr3m]

To be fair, Mason for some reason decided to omit a bunch of pretty relevant quotes and context from Rutherford in his original article until prompted on social media (he posted them afterward). I'm not sure I really blame them for going out in an attempt to clarify.

There’s also a possibility of him not omitting anything and him following up on social media is the result of them panicking and doing damage control. Rutherford’s second interview today kinda supports that theory. What a mess.

 

[ProviesGhost]

Omg you guys we are talking about morgan rielly now? Yuck..

Im seeing marner? Yuck

Rutherford is probably laughing.. finished that interview just to watch everyone lap it up.

Just setting expectations..... this board is going to explode when this gets taken care of. It won't be pretty. Honestly I'd take $19.6mm in cap space and some picks and just move on rather than taking someone else's garbage back.

The buyers *all* knew what was going on, Rutherford lost no leverage with that interview because he had none to begin with. That interview was for the fans, and from the other teams perspectives they should absolutely be lowballing - these players destroyed their value, themselves.

I don’t give management a pass here, but I put much more blame on these two twats. Look at the coach, they sucked the life right out of the guy.

 

[racerjoe]

I don't really think the Canucks brass would attempt to have any machinations of trading Quinn. And he will surely get an NMC no matter where his next contract is.

I just mean that if they jerk around Petey, their agent isn't going to cut Canucks' brass any breaks. Brisson will play absolute hardball at every opportunity and likely very strongly suggest Quinn wait out until UFA.

With their client list they can also let Hughes know less UFAs will sign here…

 

[Nuckles]

It's even harder to get a 1C by trading a 1C. As in it never, ever happens. Smart GMs arbitrage. Acquire high picks at the deadline when they have less value, trade picks at the draft for players when they have more value.

Draft picks are the same as cash. If you have them you can buy things. If you don't it's hard Players are not that way.

How did we acquire JT for example?

Just because the Canucks were fortunate enough to do it somewhat recently, it doesn't mean they'll be able to do it again anytime in the near future. Every single team would love to be able to do that every single year but can't for obvious reasons.

 

[Burke's Evil Spirit]

Interesting point raised by Sat today, that Rutherford's quote most resembles when Jim Lites blasted Benn and Seguin for being "total horseshit" back in 2018: NHLPA rips Stars CEO for Seguin-Benn criticism

It makes me wonder if JR dropped these quotes not to prepare the market for a trade ... but to prepare the market to *keep* both these guys.

 

[ginner classic]

Just because the Canucks were fortunate enough to do it somewhat recently, it doesn't mean they'll be able to do it again anytime in the near future. Every single team would love to be able to do that every single year but can't for obvious reasons.

It's a transaction that happens nearly every year. While the 1C for 1C trade happened never.

 

[Rick Rocket]

At this point it's best that they just ask Quinn who should go.

 

[Burke's Evil Spirit]

Where can I get odds on both those guys being in training camp this September?

 

[Nuckles]

It's a transaction that happens nearly every year. While the 1C for 1C trade happened never.

Yeah I'm not arguing for a 1C for 1C swap, I'm in the "need to get a legitimate 2C at minimum" boat.

And while that kind of trade you mentioned happens "nearly every year", you are competing with up to 30 other teams to do it. Just because the Canucks were able to do it once before, it doesn't mean it will happen again anytime in the near future. There's no way to realistically predict it.

Banking your team's future on it happening is silly. See the Canucks current D, they thought they could do what they did last season again by acquiring a good D for cheap mid-season.

Edit: and to add, the kinds of trades you're talking about don't always involve centers, which is the most important part of all of this. A center might not become available by those means again for a few years, and Hughes could be gone by then.

 

[xtr3m]