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Mr. Canucklehead
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Come on, General Zad, come on back!
Both Blueger and Joshua left some money on the table to stay. Hopefully the pattern continues.
sting101
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yes and now that he has a Cup you also wonder what is left to play for. Money is not gonna be the same issue for Sam as much as many others who look at the tax breaks and ways of stretching every career dollar.
The main issue would be the local distraction and pressure he would have to endure and how do we leverage any value from a guy that just scored the cup winning goal and had 67 for the year.
He would have to leave a lot on the table and then he plays the same role that Boeser does on the PP. Him being a guy that has some right shot C utility with Pettersson would be a great fit though.
Probably not a lot of smoke just because he's likely gonna re sign and everyone knows it
Given how both the Joshua and Blueger deals are below what most expected, I imagine it's the same thing with Zadorov. We're all expecting 4.75-5m and they are probably offering 4.25-4.5m.
Nick Lang
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It looked bad and unnecessary the second it was inked and even worse in hindsight for the very obvious reasons you listed. Really, it's hard to believe that anyone would try to defend it. Although there was a good number of people here clamoring to re-sign Lindholm too. Some people just completely ignore the realities of the cap when armchairing their team.
Mr. Canucklehead
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The revisionist history here is comic gold. You're just using the benefit of hindsight to claim things that were certainly not being claimed at the time.
Might the shooting percentage have come down on its own? maybe. But the # of (HD) shots likely would have gone up a lot ....playing with elite distributors in an elevated roll. He got hurt and hasn't been the same since, so we'll never know.
He was a solid target at the time as his defensive game was outstanding, he was an elite penalty killer and his offensive game was on a steep upward trajectory.
The Jeff Marek Show that didn't include Jeff Marek.
Summarized before the Joshua re-signing was announced.
Canucks:
-thought Myers contract would be reasonably simple but it's proven to be harder than everyone thought
-heard they re-engaged on Joshua but will have stiff competition
-trying to re-sign a bunch of their guys
-has been working on the Mikheyev trade for a couple of days
-thinks San Jose was the other team but Mikheyev was more interested in the Blackhawks
Jake Guentzel:
-thinks the Stars are lurking around Jake Guentzel
-growing momentum between him and the Hurricanes; really trying to get this done by the draft
Holland & Oilers:
-was expected
-met with the players and some staff yesterday and informed them that he didn't plan on coming back
-everyone knew he was leaving
-players really like him
-thinks the Oilers will look outside the organization for the nexy GM
-Oilers ended their GM search during the SCF
-will go through the draft and free agency without a GM
-preference is someone with experience
Stars:
-Stars are in a battle to keep Tanev but Maple Leafs are there in a very big way
Maple Leafs:
-tried to acquire Tanev and Zadorov last year
-Tanev is the guy Treliving likes the most
-trying to be very careful with term
-really want to address their blueline
-has kind of heard similar that Bertuzzi will be gone
-has heard they are really trying to re-sign Domi; ask is in the 4y/4m
-Domi really wants to stay in Toronto and they want to keep him
-expects Tavares to remain
-Marner's camp is perfectly happy to bet on himself
Jacob Trouba:
-has a partial NTC starting on July 1st
-Rangers have asked for his list; says that is normal procedure
Misc:
-cap will go up another 5% for next season
-everyone is expecting a big cap bump but no one is putting that to paper
-Canadian TV deal is up in two years
-game 7 had the best viewership, outside of the superbowl, of any sport since 2019
Summarized before the Joshua re-signing was announced.
Canucks:
-thought Myers contract would be reasonably simple but it's proven to be harder than everyone thought
-heard they re-engaged on Joshua but will have stiff competition
-trying to re-sign a bunch of their guys
-has been working on the Mikheyev trade for a couple of days
-thinks San Jose was the other team but Mikheyev was more interested in the Blackhawks
Jake Guentzel:
-thinks the Stars are lurking around Jake Guentzel
-growing momentum between him and the Hurricanes; really trying to get this done by the draft
Holland & Oilers:
-was expected
-met with the players and some staff yesterday and informed them that he didn't plan on coming back
-everyone knew he was leaving
-players really like him
-thinks the Oilers will look outside the organization for the nexy GM
-Oilers ended their GM search during the SCF
-will go through the draft and free agency without a GM
-preference is someone with experience
Stars:
-Stars are in a battle to keep Tanev but Maple Leafs are there in a very big way
Maple Leafs:
-tried to acquire Tanev and Zadorov last year
-Tanev is the guy Treliving likes the most
-trying to be very careful with term
-really want to address their blueline
-has kind of heard similar that Bertuzzi will be gone
-has heard they are really trying to re-sign Domi; ask is in the 4y/4m
-Domi really wants to stay in Toronto and they want to keep him
-expects Tavares to remain
-Marner's camp is perfectly happy to bet on himself
Jacob Trouba:
-has a partial NTC starting on July 1st
-Rangers have asked for his list; says that is normal procedure
Misc:
-cap will go up another 5% for next season
-everyone is expecting a big cap bump but no one is putting that to paper
-Canadian TV deal is up in two years
-game 7 had the best viewership, outside of the superbowl, of any sport since 2019
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mriswith
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ES production. Guentzel is elite at it and extremely consistent. Other than 3/10 seasons in his career, Reinhart is not. Reinhart is better at other things but we already have the personnel for an elite PP and EP can handle the defensive heavy lifting for his line, we need raw ES production more than anything.
If Reinhart's production drops down to what it was for 7/10 seasons in his career including 22-23 in FLA, that contract is going to really hurt. Whereas there's nothing to indicate Guentzel is going to drop off anytime soon.
Canucks shouldn’t move the needle much on where they were before on big Z, hopefully a small bump over 5M gets the deal done, but have to stay prudent and draw the line, if he signs great, if not look for a replacement
Bleach Clean
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It's not revisionist when you don't want the player signed at the time.
I would say that it was always wishful thinking that even an increase in HD shots, which is debatable given that you're using a spike year as a baseline (illogical), would have lent to more scoring given his apparent (visual) lack of shooting talent.
He's a 3rd line talent before he gets hurt. His skating was fine at the end of the season, it just wasn't elite. His hands though.... they didn't change.
Diamonddog01
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Most were ok, or even happy with the signing at the time. He was everything the team desperately needed (speed, size, pk'ing ability coming after a horrific year for the team on the penalty kill) so the target made sense. That being said, in hindsight, the AAV was high. I have a suspicion that another team was offering a similar amount and we had to outbid someone but that's just my own theory. The injury was unfortunate and it was also a rare miss by the pro-scouting that the player was simply unable to play in the top 6.
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Great work on the Hronek, Joshua, Blueger deals, and on removing Mikheyev's cap hit.
We are still in a situation though that if we want Guentzel, Zad will have to take a hair cut in order for him to come back and for the D to be filled out.
We are still in a situation though that if we want Guentzel, Zad will have to take a hair cut in order for him to come back and for the D to be filled out.
Bleach Clean
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Great point. You've convinced me.
Would you regard at all the value of the other things Reinhart does as closing the gap? To me, it's a 'no', but to others it may be the case.
Been a decade since players were willing to take pay cuts to play in Vancouver, feels good!
The Joshua signing makes me think that the Canucks don't expect to get Guentzel. There's too much competition from other good teams with plenty of cap space, and I don't think the Canucks can afford him if they also sign Zadorov.
I can't see them filling out the rest of the lineup with cheap contracts. (2 D and 2 forwards)
I can't see them filling out the rest of the lineup with cheap contracts. (2 D and 2 forwards)
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I’m calling Zads for like $4.5 x6
I don’t know how they are doing this, but my guess in Zac’s is they call him and say, we want to win, do you? This is what we can allocate. Take it or leave it.
I don’t know how they are doing this, but my guess in Zac’s is they call him and say, we want to win, do you? This is what we can allocate. Take it or leave it.
I much prefer Guentzel over Reinhart but I understand why others disagree.
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I'm wondering if they are nervous about a possible Silovs offer-sheet and they can get DeSmith for very cheap.
Or they trade Silovs at a price higher than you'd expect because they trust Tolopilo will actually be ready pretty soon as well. They love Tolopilo and he was better than Silovs in the AHL last season.
If they did that, (and I don't think it's a great idea), then perhaps they would have to try EP centering Joshua and Garland. Create another third line with Hoglander and two FA forwards, then run Podz, Blueger and PDG on the 4th.
We can't keep cheaping out on EP's wings.
If we strike out on Guentzel/Reinhart, I think we gotta look at a guy like Arvidsson for Pettersson's lineamate. Sneaky tenacious player capable of 30-30 season who could likely be had for under 5MM.
Then plow the rest of the cap into Zadorov and ideally Tanev/Roy, or barring that, Alex Carrier.
Then plow the rest of the cap into Zadorov and ideally Tanev/Roy, or barring that, Alex Carrier.
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