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[arttk]

But we haven't shown Quinn anything here. We also haven't improved the team, a team that is fighting for a playoff spot. So we're telling him that this season is a write-off anyway. We did not improve the team, by any measure. And we have actually made the team worse, because we did trade Soucy which means the defence now has less depth for the next 20 games. Mancini obviously isn't an improvement on Soucy at this point in time. We're basically banking on not needing to call upon the 7th D once Hughes plays again. And we only got a 3rd round pick for Soucy which god, based on what I keep on hearing here, that's basically good for nothing. And there was no real reason to trade Soucy now compared to the off-season. So how does this Soucy trade square up with everything else? What does it tell Hughes?

Now for all that, obviously we didn't hold onto Brock out of any concern whatsoever for Hughes. But I simply bring up Soucy to point out.......we did decide to make a move that made us a worse team for the rest of the season.

Ummm we just fixed the D mid season and have one of the best D unit in the league when Quinn is healthy.

 

[Peter Griffin]

Can you stop pretending that GMs are dumbasses and don’t understand the concept of 1st round equivalent value means..

stop saying like those teams that chose to make other trades would’ve made an offer to trade for Brock, it f***ing didn’t happen, stop living in f***ing denial

I’m not the one living in denial thinking that Boeser is somehow going to start generating his money own offens. But keep believing that not being offered a 1st arbitrarily means they were only offered at max a 2nd.

 

[arttk]

I’m not the one living in denial thinking that Boeser is somehow going to start generating his money own offens. But keep believing that not being offered a 1st arbitrarily means they were only offered at max a 2nd.

You are the one arguing well well well somebody must’ve given us more than a 2nd but less than a 1st right?!? It didn’t f***ing happen.
Stop tripping over a deal that was never offered.

 

[Isi]

Ummm we just fixed the D mid season..

Game 82, need to win the game to make the playoffs. One of the Peteys is out, for whatever reason. Who do you or Quinn Hughes want out there in that game, Soucy or Mancini?

Am I being dramatic? of course I am. But the team clearly made a trade that makes the roster worse for the rest of the season, for no real reason given Soucy could have been traded in the summer. But trading Suter or Brock is off-limits because we're pushing for the playoffs. It's contradictory from management.

 

[JanBulisPiggyBack]

Fellas sorry way too much posts to catch up on to get the general vibe of where everybody is at but I’d like to offer a few words ( apologies if this is been stated earlier )
We have a good team
We have decent to good players available, I’ve always been surprised how little other teams value our players
Boeser and Suter were clutch players to add ( on really good contacts and term )
I was fully hoping for some prices in return for them being moved as I want this team to get better BUT
I see the importance of keeping them now and likely next year as we are playoff contenders. If the offers were not good the I “agree” with management this deadline, this isn’t the Hamius, Tanev trade deadlines of the past, we are or were in a playoff position and we are arguable better than the 9,10 and 11th place teams in the west, even with a bad Petey
So im surprisingly comfortable holding onto both those players, hopefully we resign them to decent shorter contracts.
I am disappointed we didn’t capitalize on the cap space but it doesn’t look like they was happening this year anyways
We have money to burn next year and will get better

It takes two to tango and our management group didn’t get bent over, once again proving we have competent management

I bet we get better at the draft/free agency

 

[Peter Griffin]

You are the one arguing well well well somebody must’ve given us more than a 2nd but less than a 1st right?!? It didn’t f***ing happen.
Stop tripping over a deal that was never offered.

You’re clueless. There’s a difference in value between a 2nd and a 1st. Management and ownership wanted a homerun to move Boeser despite not being a player worthy of that value.

 

[andora]

You literally don’t know it didn’t happen though. Because Allvin was only willing to accept a 1st doesn’t mean a team like Minnesota or Washington wasn’t willing to offer more than 2nd considering they literally offered that for inferior players. There’s a difference between value between a 2nd and a 1st, afterall.

Because their target of acquiring and then flipping a draft pick for a solution player doesn't start with second and third round picks

I truly believe that if they had acquired a first round draft pick that was the trigger to do it and just like miller into m. Pettersson i can see them having something lined up provided they got the first

 

[arttk]

Game 82, need to win the game to make the playoffs. One of the Peteys is out, for whatever reason. Who do you or Quinn Hughes want out there in that game, Soucy or Mancini?

wtf are you talking about?

 

[arttk]

Because their target of acquiring and then flipping a draft pick for a solution player doesn't start with second and third round picks

I truly believe that if they had acquired a first round draft pick that was the trigger to do it and just like miller into m. Pettersson i can see them having something lined up provided they got the first

It’s almost guaranteed they know what they need to get the guy they want to upgrade the roster and what they need is another 1st rounder.

 

[andora]

It’s almost guaranteed they know what they need to get the guy they want to upgrade the roster and what they need is another 1st rounder.

I do believe this yes

 

[Peter Griffin]

Because their target of acquiring and then flipping a draft pick for a solution player doesn't start with second and third round picks

I truly believe that if they had acquired a first round draft pick that was the trigger to do it and just like miller into m. Pettersson i can see them having something lined up provided they got the first

A good management team would accept that this isn’t the year for this group and that adding a 2nd and 3rd to improve next year’s team and beyond is more beneficial.

 

[Isi]

wtf are you talking about?

I'm highlighting that over the trade deadline period, we did, in fact, make a trade that inarguably made the roster worse for the rest of the season, and how that contradicts with not trading Brock/Suter. it's pretty simple stuff.

 

[andora]

A good management team would accept that this isn’t the year for this group and that adding a 2nd and 3rd to improve next year’s team and beyond is more beneficial.

What type of trades demonstrate parlaying some mids into upgrades on the roster

 

[Peter Griffin]

It’s almost guaranteed they know what they need to get the guy they want to upgrade the roster and what they need is another 1st rounder.

Yea, so just lose a player for nothing, or worse re-sign him to a terrible contract, because you didn’t acquire the exact amount required to acquire the player you actually want. Maybe you add a 2nd and 3rd in the 2025 draft and it allows you to move your own 1st to acquire said player? Ever consider that?

 

[Peter Griffin]

What type of trades demonstrate parlaying some mids into upgrades on the roster

A 2nd and 3rd added this draft could allow management to move their 1st this year? No?

 

[Isi]

Yea, so just lose a player for nothing, or worse re-sign him to a terrible contract, because you didn’t acquire the exact amount required to acquire the player you actually want. Maybe you add a 2nd and 3rd in the 2025 draft and it allows you to move your own 1st to acquire said player? Ever consider that?

Have you considered that if it's not a 1st round pick, it's just absolutely useless. Pointless.

makes you wonder why we traded Soucy though

 

[JanBulisPiggyBack]

Fellas sorry way too much posts to catch up on to get the general vibe of where everybody is at but I’d like to offer a few words ( apologies if this is been stated earlier )
We have a good team
We have decent to good players available, I’ve always been surprised how little other teams value our players
Boeser and Suter were clutch players to add ( on really good contacts and term )
I was fully hoping for some prices in return for them being moved as I want this team to get better BUT
I see the importance of keeping them now and likely next year as we are playoff contenders. If the offers were not good the I “agree” with management this deadline, this isn’t the Hamius, Tanev trade deadlines of the past, we are or were in a playoff position and we are arguable better than the 9,10 and 11th place teams in the west, even with a bad Petey
So im surprisingly comfortable holding onto both those players, hopefully we resign them to decent shorter contracts.
I am disappointed we didn’t capitalize on the cap space but it doesn’t look like they was happening this year anyways
We have money to burn next year and will get better

It takes two to tango and our management group didn’t get bent over, once again proving we have competent management

I bet we get better at the draft/free agency

Sorry to bump my own post but if the Canucks offered 5 x 8
That’s the max I’m down with
Literally the exact amount I’m down with

 

[Peter Griffin]

Have you considered that if it's not a 1st round pick, it's just absolutely useless. Pointless.

makes you wonder why we traded Soucy though

No, because it’s not. It’s only pointless if you think this team has legitimate playoff hopes and Boeser is a big part of them. But then you’re a fool.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

But we haven't shown Quinn anything here. We also haven't improved the team, a team that is fighting for a playoff spot. So we're telling him that this season is a write-off anyway. We did not improve the team, by any measure. And we have actually made the team worse, because we did trade Soucy which means the defence now has less depth for the next 20 games. Mancini obviously isn't an improvement on Soucy at this point in time. We're basically banking on not needing to call upon the 7th D once Hughes plays again. And we only got a 3rd round pick for Soucy which god, based on what I keep on hearing here, that's basically good for nothing. And there was no real reason to trade Soucy now compared to the off-season. So how does this Soucy trade square up with everything else? What does it tell Hughes?

Now for all that, obviously we didn't hold onto Brock out of any concern whatsoever for Hughes. But I simply bring up Soucy to point out.......we did decide to make a move that made us a worse team for the rest of the season. The GM did that

Soucy wasn’t it this year. I was his biggest drumbeater when he got here and I liked him last year but they kept playing him on the left side and he just for whatever reason doesn’t play that side very well.

Losing him I wouldn’t say made us significantly worse and who knows if that trade can be made in the offseason with the amount of bigger names available that every team is convinced they are gonna sign.

It’s too much ado for basically nothing. The posts here make me think…People wanted trades to talk about even if they were absolute garbage so we can play pretend GM in the offseason.

The sky really isn’t falling here, we just have zero information to work with because no one has any interest in talking to our media machine. It’s why JR/Aqua tapped some dude that’s semi-retired to put out a story and not anyone else.

By not selling off the season, you basically tell the players you’ve got this far in a f***ed up season, we believe in you, and nows the time to prove to everyone or you can start looking for a new city to live in. Your choice.

Don’t you think the players are tired of having nothing to play for so often in their Canuck careers in March and April?

Players don’t think “ooh high draft pick” and if anyone honestly believes that is a selling point, I’d straight up to their face call them dumb.

Not saying you are dumb, you’re just passionate and I understand that. We just happen to have slightly different POVs on a complicated matter.

 

[Peen]

Philosophically, I strongly disagree with trading good assets below market when you are trying to compete. You need to be able to flip that stuff. They can’t get the same quality from a 2nd + whatever as they can from a 1st in all likelihood.

I feel very different if you’re a tanking team trying to bottom out. Losing trades doesn’t really matter because your entire purpose is to mine star talent. The difference between a late 1st and a 2nd/3rd for them is irrelevant. You just take everything you get. What matters is if you hit with your high firsts and surround with the right veterans (on+off the ice) so your culture isn’t dogshit during the lean years.

Also, if you show you fold every time, it f***s you.

I’m not debating the results. They needed to get this right and they didn’t. But the process.. (theoretically) setting reasonable prices that teams chose not to pay… i don’t have an issue with.

 

[arttk]

Yea, so just lose a player for nothing, or worse re-sign him to a terrible contract, because you didn’t acquire the exact amount required to acquire the player you actually want. Maybe you add a 2nd and 3rd in the 2025 draft and it allows you to move your own 1st to acquire said player? Ever consider that?

Also it’s funny that you like to argue that Brock is useless and won’t be missed but at the same time is completely in denial that no team offered 1st round value for him.

We don’t know what will happen, Brock could take the original offer because he realizes oh shit nobody wants him or he can walk and if he walks, we’ll really lose out on the value of a 2nd and maybe a C prospect which is acceptable. What does a 2nd get you? That’s like saying wow we missed out on getting Beau and a C prospect. Yeah that’s fine.

 

[andora]

A 2nd and 3rd added this draft could allow management to move their 1st this year? No?

Yep it could - unless there is a player they really like and are aiming to draft him

Oh i missed my own disclaimer about trying to make the playoffs so its moot

 

[Peter Griffin]

Also it’s funny that you like to argue that Brock is useless and won’t be missed but at the same time is completely in denial that no team offered 1st round value for him.

I’ve never said a team offered a 1st and have continuously said so. Are you slow?

We don’t know what will happen, Brock could take the original offer because he realizes oh shit nobody wants him or he can walk and if he walks, we’ll really lose out on the value of a 2nd and maybe a C prospect which is acceptable. What does a 2nd get you? That’s like saying wow we missed out on getting Beau and a C prospect. Yeah that’s fine.

Brock isn’t worth $8M. That’s the issue. He’s a highly replaceable, complimentary winger. They should’ve traded him for whatever value they could get and moved on. The sad reality is they will move on, but with absolutely nothing to show for it. And fools like you will praise them for it.

 

[Peen]

Carolina still hasn't learned from the last 3 times that they tried to lowball the Canucks? Get f***ed.

Really happy they lost Guentzel, Necas, and Rantanen in the span of like 8 months while in win now mode. Yeah they got some nice pieces but that’s irrelevant because they are throwing away a year. Ha. Losers.

 

[arttk]

A 2nd and 3rd added this draft could allow management to move their 1st this year? No?

I am pretty sure what we want will actually costs us 2 1st rounders so getting 2nd and 3rd rounders won’t really do anything.