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[Peter Griffin]

Adding a *check* 2nd rounder is not going to convince Hughes that the team is going to get better in the future.

And letting Boeser walk is? You’re also assuming they were only offered a 2nd. They could’ve been offered two. Picks can be exchanged for players in the future. You’re effectively saying a non contributing Boeser is more effective than assets that can be exchanged for players that are a better fit.

 

[arttk]

And letting Boeser walk is? You’re also assuming they were only offered a 2nd. They could’ve been offered two. Picks can be exchanged for players in the future. You’re effectively saying a non contributing Boeser is more effective than assets that can be exchanged for players that are a better fit.

a) we don’t know that Brock is going to continue to not be a factor
B) our players actually do like him and believe in him
C) yes we might lose him
D) but we never threw in the flag (the main point)
E) the difference between letting him walk and trading him is a 2nd rounder. I think not communicating to Quinn that we are giving up >>>>> the value of that 2nd rounder in a shitty draft

 

[andora]

And letting Boeser walk is? You’re also assuming they were only offered a 2nd. They could’ve been offered two. Picks can be exchanged for players in the future. You’re effectively saying a non contributing Boeser is more effective than assets that can be exchanged for players that are a better fit.

I think the Silver Lining here is just looking at outside of first round picks what type of players and you actually parlay mid-round picks into to plan for that to be the solution

Effectively if you're only moving laterally or arguably worse then there's no point

 

[Peter Griffin]

a) we don’t know that Brock is going to continue to not be a factor
B) our players actually do like him and believe in him
C) yes we might lose him
D) but we never threw in the flag (the main point)
E) the difference between letting him walk and trading him is a 2nd rounder. I think not communicating to Quinn that we are giving up >>>>> the value of that 2nd rounder in a shitty draft

A) Has Brock ever contributed without a play driving center?
B) It’s a business. Believing in a teammate and improving the team’s chances are easily separated.
C/D) Moving Boeser, a player who has turned down a very fair offer, who has been terrible since his center has been traded, for assets that can actually help the team in the future, is not “throwing in the flag”. You’re acting like they would be trading a contributing player here.
E) Again, a solitary 2nd rounder is equating his value to Beauvillier. Do you honestly believe that was his value?

 

[Peter Griffin]

I think the Silver Lining here is just looking at outside of first round picks what type of players and you actually parlay mid-round picks into to plan for that to be the solution

Effectively if you're only moving laterally or arguably worse then there's no point

2nd round picks don’t hold trade value in the offseason? Effectively the team is saying we’re good enough this year to let Boeser walk for nothing. They aren’t. Boeser isn’t a player they should be re-signing at the numbers that are being discussed. They should be parlaying his salary, and any assets acquired, into a player that fits the organization better.

 

[Isi]

if it's all about making quinn happy, surely not buying anything is just as bad as not selling anything, then

 

[andora]

2nd round picks don’t hold trade value in the offseason? Effectively the team is saying we’re good enough this year to let Boeser walk for nothing. They aren’t. Boeser isn’t a player they should be re-signing at the numbers that are being discussed. They should be parlaying his salary, and any assets acquired, into a player that fits the organization better.

Offseason sure but they are trying to make the playoffs so that second round pick even if he brings along a friend certainly aren't going to help score any goals down the stretch

The disclaimer between any of the debates right now should be that before anybody says anything they have to accept the fact that this team is trying to make the playoffs.- then proceed from there

 

[Peter Griffin]

Offseason sure but they are trying to make the playoffs so that second round pick even if he brings along a friend certainly aren't going to help score any goals down the stretch

Boeser isn’t either. You can plug Lekkerimaki into his spot and he’ll score 1 ES point over the last 11 games as well. The guy is useless, they should’ve got whatever they could and moved on.

The disclaimer between any of the debates right now should be that before anybody says anything they have to accept the fact that this team is trying to make the playoffs.- then proceed from there

Again, the way Boeser is playing without being carried, isn’t the difference between this team making the playoffs or missing out.

 

[arttk]

A) Has Brock ever contributed without a play driving center?
B) It’s a business. Believing in a teammate and improving the team’s chances are easily separated.
C/D) Moving Boeser, a player who has turned down a very fair offer, who has been terrible since his center has been traded, for assets that can actually help the team in the future, is not “throwing in the flag”. You’re acting like they would be trading a contributing player here.
E) Again, a solitary 2nd rounder is equating his value to Beauvillier. Do you honestly believe that was his value?

A) yes
B) removing Brock without a replacement = lowering chance of being good
C,D) the odds of a 2nd rounder improving the team in the near term is extremely low
E) that’s literally what Fridge reported, we asked for a 1st and nobody was willing to pay. Can we stop with this, somebody must’ve been willing to give us a first when we are a day past trade deadline and we have reports of no teams willing to pay that price

 

[andora]

Boeser isn’t either. You can plug Lekkerimaki into his spot and he’ll score 1 ES point over the last 11 games as well. The guy is useless, they should’ve got whatever they could and moved on.


Again, the way Boeser is playing without being carried, isn’t the difference between this team making the playoffs or missing out.

So put in the kid that's not ready this doesn't make any sense and we should all recognize that it doesn't.

They're going to keep working with the fan favorite and probably a favorite in the locker room trying to get something to click and then all of a sudden he can contribute I'm pretty sure that's more important to try and focus on your people then getting a second round pick

 

[Peter Griffin]

A) yes

With who?

B) removing Brock without a replacement = lowering chance of being good

I’d agrue playing Lekk in his spot would produce similar results.

C,D) the odds of a 2nd rounder improving the team in the near term is extremely low
E) that’s literally what Fridge reported, we asked for a 1st and nobody was willing to pay. Can we stop with this, somebody must’ve been willing to give us a first when we are a day past trade deadline and we have reports of no teams willing to pay that price

So no 1st automatically means only 1 2nd was offered? Boeser has same value as Anthony Beauvillier then? Use your brain.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

I suppose technically that's true, but in reality, whoever grabs that last wildcard spot will almost certainly just be the team that's on the side of luck. With 20 games left in the season and up to 4 teams going for one wildcard spot, I don't think it really matters if we kept or traded Brock/Suter. It's just gonna be the team that gets a good run with their goalie and/or their shooting percentage. Last night was almost the perfect demonstration of that

I think it’s better to show Hughes we actually give a shit about building towards something rather than packing it in bc in scenario 2 we are talking about a Hughes trade and I think that would send most of us fans on suicide watch lmao.

 

[arttk]

With who?


I’d agrue playing Lekk in his spot would produce similar results.


So no 1st automatically means only 1 2nd was offered? Boeser has same value as Anthony Beauvillier then? Use your brain.

Before we actually continue this nonsense, you have to stop being in f***ing denial about some other team must have offered us like 1st round or 1st rounder equivalent value. It simply did not happen, denial does not change that fact.
A) Canadian division year
B) Lekk is obviously not ready and we have him on the roster already.

 

[Peter Griffin]

Before we actually continue this nonsense, you have to stop being in f***ing denial about some other team must have offered us like 1st round or 1st rounder equivalent value. It simply did not happen, denial does not change that fact.

I’ve never said they offered a 1st. Two 2nds or a 2nd and a 3rd is better than nothing or spending what it will cost to keep Boeser. Learn to read.

A) Canadian division year

Lol what? 4 goals in 17GP? Playing with the same play driving center they just dealt? Try again.

B) Lekk is obviously not ready and we have him on the roster already.

Boeser, 1 ES point in his last 11GP. Hard to beat that production for sure.

 

[AHLdepth]

I am really not sure how to feel about not moving on from Boeser. I love the guy, I think that in another world he is captain type material and was a beacon of hope during some dark dark days, but we are at a point now where he is just too slow to be dynamic, not dynamic enough to be slow, and probably going to get paid like he is both.

I think that sometimes you need to swallow your pride as a GM and just make the deal even if it's a theoretical loss in value from what you perceive. Would a couple mid round picks be a bad deal? Probably. Is that worse than losing him for nothing, or for signing him to 6x7? Probably not.

I know that in all honesty, if we gave up our 1st for a slower, 50ish point winger? I wouldn't be thrilled, especially at 6.65 and possibly more.

Whether it's Kuzmenko, Hoglander, Boeser, or Miller this management has a problem with not being able to identify when the right time to sell an asset (or not) is.

 

[I am toxic]

Dude has no f***ing clue what is going on at any point. Hell people who play EA can probably build a better team than him. How the f*** can anyone build a team with a historically bad PK when everyone is healthy.
f*** Benning, I can’t believe there are still Benning bro still trying to prop him up yesterday.

HFCanucks actually conducted a double blind regression analysis study allowing for the placebo effect, and were able to scientifically conclude that Mittens the cat would have done a better job than Jim Benning

And other than occassionally playing with catnip, Mittens just . . . naps

 

[arttk]

I’ve never said they offered a 1st. Two 2nds or a 2nd and a 3rd is better than nothing or spending what it will cost to keep Boeser. Learn to read.


Lol what? 4 goals in 17GP? Playing with the same play driving center they just dealt? Try again.

Boeser, 1 ES point in his last 11GP. Hard to beat that production for sure.

Can we stop with the imaginary offers that nobody made. Florida didn’t bother because they got Marchand and Canes trying to give us a cap dump in KK and asked us for one of our top prospect.

Like just f***ing stop, there is zero report of anyone else making us another foe Brock. All those well what happens if somebody gave us 2 2nd or 3rd or whatever doesn’t f***ing matter because it did not f***ing happen. Stop being in denial.

 

[Kryten]

HFCanucks actually conducted a double blind regression analysis study allowing for the placebo effect, and were able to scientifically conclude that Mittens the cat would have done a better job than Jim Benning

And other than occassionally playing with catnip, Mittens just . . . naps

The potato

 

[quat]

Given how well Allvin and Co have been at times making deals, it's possible they saw a way forward with Boeser that has him rethinking his contract requests, or at least that's the hope I have at this point.

Maybe the concussion did effect him and they're cognizant of that. Maybe they're challenging him to show what he can do that proves he's worth what he wants? Maybe they say they had to do their due diligence to see what was out there VS what he brings to the team in a playoff spot?

Recalling that they've stated in the past that they're not going to let players walk for nothing, would suggest they've got something else going on. They're not Benning stupid and I can certainly admit that, despite not flogging an unproductive player in a seller's market.

When discussing these kinds of moves/lack of moves, it's too easy to get myopic when the only thing we can be sure of, is we all lack a great deal of information on what's going on behind the scenes.

I council myself to not get to attached to what I think happened, but screw that guy, what does he know?

 

[Peter Griffin]

Can we stop with the imaginary offers that nobody made. Florida didn’t bother because they got Marchand and Canes trying to give us a cap dump in KK and asked us for one of our top prospect.

Like just f***ing stop, there is zero report of anyone else making us another foe Brock. All those well what happens if somebody gave us 2 2nd or 3rd or whatever doesn’t f***ing matter because it did not f***ing happen. Stop being in denial.

You literally don’t know it didn’t happen though. Because Allvin was only willing to accept a 1st doesn’t mean a team like Minnesota or Washington wasn’t willing to offer more than 2nd considering they literally offered that for inferior players. There’s a difference between value between a 2nd and a 1st, afterall.

 

[Kryten]

You literally don’t know it didn’t happen though. Because Allvin was only willing to accept a 1st doesn’t mean a team like Minnesota or Washington wasn’t willing to offer more than 2nd considering they literally offered that for inferior players. There’s a difference between value between a 2nd and a 1st, afterall.

Value is subjective. Beauvillier isnt worth a 2nd to anyone other than the GM who traded it for him

 

[arttk]

You literally don’t know it didn’t happen though. Because Allvin was only willing to accept a 1st doesn’t mean a team like Minnesota or Washington wasn’t willing to offer more than 2nd considering they literally offered that for inferior players. There’s a difference between value between a 2nd and a 1st, afterall.

Can you stop pretending that GMs are dumbasses and don’t understand the concept of 1st round equivalent value means..

stop saying like those teams that chose to make other trades would’ve made an offer to trade for Brock, it f***ing didn’t happen, stop living in f***ing denial

 

[God]

Carolina still hasn't learned from the last 3 times that they tried to lowball the Canucks? Get f***ed.

 

[arttk]

Carolina still hasn't learned from the last 3 times that they tried to lowball the Canucks? Get f***ed.

If they just gave us what we wanted for JT like 3 years ago they wouldn’t be in this stupid position of still trying to find a f***ing center.

 

[Isi]

I think it’s better to show Hughes we actually give a shit about building towards something rather than packing it in bc in scenario 2 we are talking about a Hughes trade and I think that would send most of us fans on suicide watch lmao.

But we haven't shown Quinn anything here. We also haven't improved the team, a team that is fighting for a playoff spot. So we're telling him that this season is a write-off anyway. We did not improve the team, by any measure. And we have actually made the team worse, because we did trade Soucy which means the defence now has less depth for the next 20 games. Mancini obviously isn't an improvement on Soucy at this point in time. We're basically banking on not needing to call upon the 7th D once Hughes plays again. And we only got a 3rd round pick for Soucy which god, based on what I keep on hearing here, that's basically good for nothing. And there was no real reason to trade Soucy now compared to the off-season. So how does this Soucy trade square up with everything else? What does it tell Hughes?

Now for all that, obviously we didn't hold onto Brock out of any concern whatsoever for Hughes. But I simply bring up Soucy to point out.......we did decide to make a move that made us a worse team for the rest of the season. The GM did that