GDT: Trade deadline 2025
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Loach
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ShhhhhIn what way? His post says "Stuff I mentioned about tomorrow is hard to explain. Could be something or nothing really, just unusual for what usually happens on Trade deadline day."
Please explain since I'm so dumb and you're so smart how making 2 trades is hard to explain and unusual for what usually happens on trade deadline day? Because I'm pretty sure trades are the most common thing that happens lol.
Also note the bolded, what a strong shot call and not at all fence sitting so you can all pat him on the back about how right he was
Check the TSN trade tracker it says NYR NHL Trade Tracker - News and Analysis from the NHL Trade DeadlineI think you mean from Buffalo to Hartford
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BonHoonLayneCornell
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Ya I was just making a joke that it was more of an AHL transaction than an NHL one.
frightenedinmatenum2
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The package Carolina got for Rantanen is worth way more than what they gave up for him, and they sent him to a division rival of Colorado.
I know this wasn't planned by Carolina, but if I was a conspiracy theorist I would think this was Hoffman for Boedker all over again. Obviously, it wasn't. But this fun to think about...
The return didn't sound promising at first, but they ended up with a massive haul.
I know this wasn't planned by Carolina, but if I was a conspiracy theorist I would think this was Hoffman for Boedker all over again. Obviously, it wasn't. But this fun to think about...
The return didn't sound promising at first, but they ended up with a massive haul.
frightenedinmatenum2
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Norris is the finished product. There are injury concerns, but he is a first line center. Is he a "1C" in the way the term is used, to basically mean superstar? No. But he is a center that Buffalo can put in th ice got 20 minutes a night in all situations.
Cozens is still a project. He has potential to exceed Norris, but it isn't guaranteed.
I don't think Cozens being younger is as relevant here since they are both cap controlled for the same time, and 26 is young enough that Buffalo should not expect an age related dropoff for Norris.
Ultimately, I agree with you. I'm surprised Buffalo had to add, but I'm just laying out how I could see two GMs justifying Buffalo being the one to add the pick.
I also think that Kevin Adams might be approaching the part of his run as GM where he is less concerned about the long term implications of his trades. He is on his fifth year with zero progress. He needs this team to make the playoffs next year. A center like Norris is never available. The only reason Norris is available is because he comes with the injury liability. If Norris gets hurt again and the 2nd round pick is in the top 40, that will be the next GMs problem because Adams will be gone.
Norris not a top line center. His 5 on 5 play as a center was not good enough. Our second line was a clear weakness and Norris does not help drive play for 8mill.
I am so shocked that people don't understand why Ottawa wanted a change esp with the injuries.
Tuna99
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Feels like you traded a fully developed Kyle Turris for a 23 year old Trevor Linden and a 2nd round pick. Cozens still looks like a skinny kid to me, he’s got such huge growth potential. Has a Sam Bennett sell low feel to it this trade, and I like Josh Norris but to see in 1 game how much bigger that line looks with Batherson, even Batherson looked an inch taller and 15 pounds heavier with Cozens.
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The issue is that Carolina is looking to make a run this year and what they got back leaves them worse this year than it did before either of the Rantanen trades.
frightenedinmatenum2
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Yes, it was a huge negative in the short term.
In the long term, they made out like bandits, especially if re-signing Necas wasn't going to pan out.
1.5 years of Necas, Drury, a 2nd, and a 4th for Stankoven, two 1st round picks, and two 3rd round picks.
They did absurdly well. Colorado should have had a Hoffman clause in the original deal where they get a conditional 1st if he is dealt within Colorado's division.
frightenedinmatenum2
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The thing that people need to acknowledge is that the trade can be a short-term misstep for Carolina, but also a major embarrassment for Colorado. There is nothing stopping it from being both those things.
When you see the actual trade on paper, it's insane. Especially when you consider that Carolina wasn't able to lock Necas down long-term in the summer. So they may have only been dealing 1.5 years of Necas.
I wonder if we are going to see more teams put Hoffman clauses in trades to prevent getting burned like this. If the Avalanche don't make some noise in the post season, this is a fireable offense. Especially when you see the other pieces they gave up to go all in. This would be like us trading Brady Tkachuk to the LA Kings, and then the Kings flip Tkachuk to the Maple Leafs for a bigger return.
Not to mention, Rantanen relented and signed at market value. Granted, Dallas having the tax advantage makes it a bit more tolerable, but it lends credibility to the idea that Rantanen was willing to work with Colorado on the money and Colorado was the one being unrealistic.
There is a very good chance Colorado and Dallas meet in the first round. Imagine a similar scenario for us. We trade Brady earlier in the season, Western team flips him to Toronto for a better return than what we got, and then we face Toronto in the first round of the playoffs. What would your perception be if we got eliminated by them? Would you say our GM in that scenario, or even our entire management team should all be fired for such a catastrophic mishandling of a franchise player?
When you see the actual trade on paper, it's insane. Especially when you consider that Carolina wasn't able to lock Necas down long-term in the summer. So they may have only been dealing 1.5 years of Necas.
I wonder if we are going to see more teams put Hoffman clauses in trades to prevent getting burned like this. If the Avalanche don't make some noise in the post season, this is a fireable offense. Especially when you see the other pieces they gave up to go all in. This would be like us trading Brady Tkachuk to the LA Kings, and then the Kings flip Tkachuk to the Maple Leafs for a bigger return.
Not to mention, Rantanen relented and signed at market value. Granted, Dallas having the tax advantage makes it a bit more tolerable, but it lends credibility to the idea that Rantanen was willing to work with Colorado on the money and Colorado was the one being unrealistic.
There is a very good chance Colorado and Dallas meet in the first round. Imagine a similar scenario for us. We trade Brady earlier in the season, Western team flips him to Toronto for a better return than what we got, and then we face Toronto in the first round of the playoffs. What would your perception be if we got eliminated by them? Would you say our GM in that scenario, or even our entire management team should all be fired for such a catastrophic mishandling of a franchise player?
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Is it a better return for a win now team though?
Necas is way better than anything they would’ve gotten otherwise.
They obviously could’ve traded Rantanen for a package and then flipped the firsts, but it would have been a quantity vs quality argument.
frightenedinmatenum2
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I am referring to the contract negotiations in the summer that were unable to produce a long-term deal, combined with the rumours that he was being shopped or at least listened to at the time. My suggestion is that based on the result of those negotiations, and the bargaining position of Necas increasing since that time, they may have projected that he would not be able to be extended at an amount that they valued him at.
I was not suggesting that they could have signed him long-term at the time of the Rantanen trade.
frightenedinmatenum2
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It was a negative situation for both Carolina and Colorado, but downgrading Necas to Stankovian is a lot more tolerable than seeing another team profit off of your pending UFA and send him to your division rival, who you will likely face in the first round of the playoffs. Again, imagine the same series of events but it's use sending Brady out west, and then him being sent to Toronto.
I thought it looked really bad for Carolina the eve of the trade deadline, but I also didn't expect four draft picks coming back with Stankovan.
If there's a loser in the whole Rantanen debacle it's Dallas.
Giving 12M x 8YRs to Rantanen is going to age horribly. He's a great player but clearly someone that benefitted greatly from being set up by MacKinnon and Makar in one of the most ideal situations to produce major numbers in the entite league.
He's not as bad as he was in his short stint in Carolina, but I suspect he won't be producing 100P+ in Dallas going forward. Also worth noting he's not a good defensive forward at all and can be very lazy and disinterested.
And how Carolina managed to get a great young forward in Stankoven, two 1sts and two 3rds for Rantanen given the absolutely terrible bargaining position they put themselves in, still boggles my mind days later.
This is not to excuse Avs management, who seemingly dealt Rantanen for less than Carolina did and completely gutted the Avs future at the deadline, even though the team is hardly old and at risk of declining significantly in coming seasons. It's not like this year was their last chance at a cup.
Giving 12M x 8YRs to Rantanen is going to age horribly. He's a great player but clearly someone that benefitted greatly from being set up by MacKinnon and Makar in one of the most ideal situations to produce major numbers in the entite league.
He's not as bad as he was in his short stint in Carolina, but I suspect he won't be producing 100P+ in Dallas going forward. Also worth noting he's not a good defensive forward at all and can be very lazy and disinterested.
And how Carolina managed to get a great young forward in Stankoven, two 1sts and two 3rds for Rantanen given the absolutely terrible bargaining position they put themselves in, still boggles my mind days later.
This is not to excuse Avs management, who seemingly dealt Rantanen for less than Carolina did and completely gutted the Avs future at the deadline, even though the team is hardly old and at risk of declining significantly in coming seasons. It's not like this year was their last chance at a cup.
Yeah fair enough. I think you’re right that the clause should have been included because that’s the real mess but in general I don’t have an issue with the Necas return vs Carolina’s.
And who knows what can happen in the playoffs. Maybe Carolina still manages to go far this year even without Rantanen?
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